Author: Brian Katz
Date: 11:24:09 01/14/04
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On January 14, 2004 at 14:14:57, Brian Katz wrote: >On January 14, 2004 at 12:03:00, Kurt Utzinger wrote: > >>On January 14, 2004 at 11:41:00, Brian Katz wrote: >> >>>I just ran a 1 PC Engine Tournament (DOUBLE ROUND ROBIN)and Fritz 8 (8.0.0.23) >>>did not do as well as expected. I have had similar results with the 8.0.0.8 >>>Engine as well. >>>Has anyone had similar results with Fritz 8 while running 1 PC Engine >>>Tournaments? >>>I am assuming that Fritz 8 would perform better with a longer time control. >>>However, a longer time control for this Tournament...(56 Games),would take quite >>>some time to run, as this one in particular took almost 20 hours. >>> >>>Other than Fritz 7, DF7 and Hiarcs 8 which used their own Opening Books, (Hiarcs >>>8 used the Tournament Book Version) Fritz 8 and all other engines used the Fritz >>>8 Opening Book. > >I agree that in a limited number of games anything can happen. Like flipping a >coin where Heads should come up 5 times out of ten but sometimes it could be 8-1 >then 2-8 etc., but in then end over a large number it should average out to >close to where it should be. >Bit, in many Engine Tournaments that I have run, it seems that Fritz 8 just has >not scored as well as one would expect. > >Im fact, in a game 2/1 tournament, Fritz 8 was losing many games agaist Ruffian >1.0.1. With the win loss result being quite lopsided at that. > >I just expected more out of Fritz 8. Especially based on all the hype. >Brian >>> >>> GAME 15 (No Increments) Hashtables 64MB (Ponder Off) >>> AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1 GIG DDR SDRAM >>> >>> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 >>>1 Deep Fritz 7 ** ½½ 11 0½ 0½ 1½ ½1 11 9.0/14 56.25 >>>2 Fritz 7 ½½ ** 0½ 1½ ½½ 11 ½½ 11 9.0/14 55.75 >>>3 Ruffian 1.0.1 00 1½ ** ½1 10 ½½ 11 ½1 8.5/14 >>>4 Hiarcs 8 1½ 0½ ½0 ** ½1 11 10 10 8.0/14 >>>5 Fritz 8 1½ ½½ 01 ½0 ** ½0 1½ ½1 7.5/14 >>>6 Crafty 19.06 0½ 00 ½½ 00 ½1 ** ½1 ½1 6.0/14 >>>7 Crafty 19.08 ½0 ½½ 00 01 0½ ½0 ** 1½ 5.0/14 >>>8 Yace Paderborn 00 00 ½0 01 ½0 ½0 0½ ** 3.0/14 >>> >>>Please post your opinions. >>>Thanks >>>Brian >> >> Please take it as it is: just another tournament with >> less games. Almost all can happen in such tournaments. >> If you look at our "5moves 2004 Tournament" (90m+30s) >> http://www.utzingerkurt.com/5moves.htm >> you will find in one serie (over 7 games) Fritz8 as >> winner, in the next serie the same engine at last place. >> And the same thing occurred to most of the engines in the >> still running tournament (once good and the other time bad >> results). Any tournament contains a great margin of error >> with regard to Elo/results and the less games are played >> the less reliable is the outcome. In any case: we should >> never make wrong conclusions from only one tournament. >> Kurt From the results showing in the above web site, it appears that Fritz 8 did not do all that well. It had 1 real good resutlt taking first by 1.5 points, the other was only a .5 margin in taking first. Then there was the horrible last place result. All this tells me, is that many of the engines out there right now are very close in Elo Strength. Engines like Fritz, Junior, Hiarcs, Tiger and Shredder are all pretty much equal. You will get varying results from many users. Brian
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