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Subject: Re: Fritz8 ( Version 8.0.0.23 ) poor showing Game 15 Engine Tourn (1 PC)

Author: Brian Katz

Date: 11:29:25 01/14/04

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On January 14, 2004 at 14:19:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 14, 2004 at 14:14:57, Brian Katz wrote:
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>>On January 14, 2004 at 12:03:00, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
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>>>On January 14, 2004 at 11:41:00, Brian Katz wrote:
>>>
>>>>I just ran a 1 PC Engine Tournament (DOUBLE ROUND ROBIN)and Fritz 8 (8.0.0.23)
>>>>did not do as well as expected. I have had similar results with the 8.0.0.8
>>>>Engine as well.
>>>>Has anyone had similar results with Fritz 8 while running 1 PC Engine
>>>>Tournaments?
>>>>I am assuming that Fritz 8 would perform better with a longer time control.
>>>>However, a longer time control for this Tournament...(56 Games),would take quite
>>>>some time to run, as this one in particular took almost 20 hours.
>>>>
>>>>Other than Fritz 7, DF7 and Hiarcs 8 which used their own Opening Books, (Hiarcs
>>>>8 used the Tournament Book Version) Fritz 8 and all other engines used the Fritz
>>>>8 Opening Book.
>>
>>I agree that in a limited number of games anything can happen. Like flipping a
>>coin where Heads should come up 5 times out of ten but sometimes it could
>> be 8-1
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>     ^^^
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>math-challenged today?  Or did you get one "edge" in those ten flips?
>
>:)Yes I am!! I did not have my calculator so I had to take an estimated guess at the remainder after 10 minus 8. Unfortunately I came up with 8-1 rather than 8-2.
I will have to take out my flash cards and study my math.
Brian

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>>then 2-8 etc., but in then end over a large number it should average out to
>>close to where it should be.
>>Bit, in many Engine Tournaments that I have run, it seems that Fritz 8 just has
>>not scored as well as one would expect.
>>
>>Im fact, in a game 2/1 tournament, Fritz 8 was losing many games agaist Ruffian
>>1.0.1. With the win loss result being quite lopsided at that.
>>
>>I just expected more out of Fritz 8. Especially based on all the hype.
>>Brian
>>>>
>>>>         GAME 15 (No Increments) Hashtables 64MB (Ponder Off)
>>>>                 AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 1 GIG DDR SDRAM
>>>>
>>>>                   1    2   3  4   5   6   7   8
>>>>1   Deep Fritz 7   **  ½½  11  0½  0½  1½  ½1  11    9.0/14  56.25
>>>>2   Fritz 7        ½½  **  0½  1½  ½½  11  ½½  11    9.0/14  55.75
>>>>3   Ruffian 1.0.1  00  1½  **  ½1  10  ½½  11  ½1    8.5/14
>>>>4   Hiarcs 8       1½  0½  ½0  **  ½1  11  10  10    8.0/14
>>>>5   Fritz 8        1½  ½½  01  ½0  **  ½0  1½  ½1    7.5/14
>>>>6   Crafty 19.06   0½  00  ½½  00  ½1  **  ½1  ½1    6.0/14
>>>>7   Crafty 19.08   ½0  ½½  00  01  0½  ½0  **  1½    5.0/14
>>>>8   Yace Paderborn 00  00  ½0  01  ½0  ½0  0½  **    3.0/14
>>>>
>>>>Please post your opinions.
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Brian
>>>
>>>     Please take it as it is: just another tournament with
>>>     less games. Almost all can happen in such tournaments.
>>>     If you look at our "5moves 2004 Tournament" (90m+30s)
>>>     http://www.utzingerkurt.com/5moves.htm
>>>     you will find in one serie (over 7 games) Fritz8 as
>>>     winner, in the next serie the same engine at last place.
>>>     And the same thing occurred to most of the engines in the
>>>     still running tournament (once good and the other time bad
>>>     results). Any tournament contains a great margin of error
>>>     with regard to Elo/results and the less games are played
>>>     the less reliable is the outcome. In any case: we should
>>>     never make wrong conclusions from only one tournament.
>>>     Kurt



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