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Subject: Re: Part 2 ... all is not easy to understand ...

Author: Frank Quisinsky

Date: 14:21:18 01/14/04

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On January 14, 2004 at 17:00:49, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Frank,
>
>seems that you haven't followed the discussion about hyperthreading lately.
>Well, I am no real expert in it, but some explanations:

Have the possibility to test different boards, processors and so on!
The Tyan board is very new and interesting for my network!

Yes, I have read some discuss about it but not all, sorry!
In the last months I have a lot of work with different things!

I will search in CCC for more information about this topic!

>First of all: usually nps goes up by a factor of 2 on 2 processors - that is
>usual. But they produce some overhead so that a speedup of 1.7-1.8 is a good
>guess. (Some stated that they have above 2 - but I would say that sounds like
>phantasy... :)

>But we compare nps here, so:
>2 threads on a Dual with hyperthreading DEACTIVATED (!) gets about double the
>nps then 1 thread on the same machine.

>When hyperthreadings is activated this is no longer true. Why ? Simple: it's
>always unclear on which processor a thread is running - that is also changing
>while it is running... so sometimes both threads run on the two virtual
>processors of one processor - it's clear that it is slower then. So running an
>engine with two threads on a Dual with hyperthreading enabled is nonsense - when
>you have enabled hyperthreading you should use ALL four available virtual
>processors. So your measurements are correct. Hint: You DO NOT HAVE 4
>processors, you have only 2 in your machine

unfortunately :-)

 - so you can't play with two Deep
>engines against each other - it would be absolutely unclear how much "effective"
>CPU-power they would get.

Yes, think so!
Interesting is to test it under Windows 2003 Server!

>Greets, Thomas
>
>P.S.: I hope that was understandable enough for you

Yes, but the result is not "befriedigend ... in German".

I will try it tomorrow or next week with an other OS (Windows 2003 Server) and
faster Xeon processors!

Best
Frank



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