Author: Peter Skinner
Date: 16:09:04 01/14/04
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On January 14, 2004 at 11:20:06, Günther Simon wrote: >On January 13, 2004 at 19:01:58, Peter Skinner wrote: > >>On January 13, 2004 at 16:32:10, Chessfun wrote: >> >>> >>>All Ruffian 2.0.0 games played at 60' ponder off >>>AMD XP 2600+ >>>Ruffian 2.0.0 used Leiden opening book. >>> >>>Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws >>> 16 Ruffian 2.0.0 : 2592 39 59 140 49.6 % 2594 40.7 % >>> 17 Ruffian 1.0.1 : 2588 46 32 220 51.4 % 2579 38.2 % >> >>This confirms what I am seeing in longer time control games as well. I have been >>playing Ruffian 2.0.0 vs Crafty 19.9 online in games 90 10, and 120 30, and >>Crafty is leading by a HUGE margin of 28.5 - 9.5. Ruffian is using a dual PII >>300 vs my PIII 600. >> >>Most people who talk in channel 64 on FICS agree that Ruffian is _not_ the 70 >>elo stronger than Ruffian 1.0.5. Not even close. > >Why do you think a dual PII300 equals to a PIII600? >It simply won't scale 2:1. Moreover it seems, you >abused ChessFuns rating list for your theory, because >the best Crafty in her list is 18.13 with 2507 (+42-53). >Do you really think Crafty 19.09 improved by some hundreds >points to suddenly justify a '28.5 : 9.5'? > >Günther No I don't think the PII 300 scales perfectly and would equal my PIII 600. It is the lowest mhz machine I own currently though. Also I never abused Sarah's list at all. I am simply demonstrating that Ruffian 2.0.0 is _not_ 100 elo points stronger than Ruffian 1.0.5 as some have said here. I have played many games at longer time controls to prove it. Crafty has become much stronger since version 18.13, while Ruffian in my opinion has _not_ improved as advertised. There is very little rating difference between Riffian 1.0.5 and Ruffian 2.0.0. My games and Sarah's point in that direction. That was my own reference to her list. Sarah's games are game in 60, while mine are 120 mins + 30 seconds per move or 90 mins + 10 seconds per move. Crafty simply has outplayed Ruffian in almost every game. When Ruffian 1.0.1 came out, and was found to be stronger than all the other freeware programs, everyone and their dog was using it on the chess servers like ICC and FICS. Now that Ruffian 2.0.0 has come out, I can barely find it to play against due to the results that everyone has posted. There was some _very_ bad advertising in promoting Ruffian 2.0.0 and if I was the consumer I would definately be requesting my money back. Peter.
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