Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 13:13:06 01/16/04
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On January 16, 2004 at 16:04:58, David H. McClain wrote: >On January 16, 2004 at 15:36:31, Tord Romstad wrote: > >>On January 16, 2004 at 14:40:22, David H. McClain wrote: >> >>>It's a nice program. >> >>Thanks. >> >>>I have watched it play but someone needs to clarify whether you want to know >>>its strength against "free" engines or whether they want to know its STRENGTH. >> >>I don't see why someone "needs to clarify" how its strength compares to the >>commercial programs, but if you or anybody else want to find out, just go >>ahead and test it. It runs perfectly in Winboard, Arena, and all the >>different Fritz-like interfaces from ChessBase. Most people don't find it >>very interesting to run matches between engines of so widely differing >>strengths (I guesstimate the difference between my engine and the top >>commercial to be somewhere between 200 and 400 points), but nobody is >>going to complain or try to stop you if you, for whatever reason, want >>to see such a match. >> >>It seems to me that you for some reason think games played at home >>don't count, and that you need to play Gothmog on some chess server >>to estimate its real strength. The truth is rather the opposite. The >>version which plays on ICC is almost always more experimental and buggy >>than the public version. >> >>And finally, if you wonder why I and many of the other amateur programmers >>with accounts on ICC don't play commercials there: There is no point for >>us in doing so. If we want to play Hiarcs or Shredder, we can do so at >>home. Doing so at a chess server is a waste of time. Playing against >>amateur engines operated by their authors is something entirely different. >>If both programmers are present and follow the game, we chat, discuss >>our latest improvements and ideas, explain to each other why our engines >>evaluate a certain position in the game as advantageous or disadvantageous, >>and so on. It is much more interesting to chat with someone who knows >>everything about the internal workings of the engine and can explain >>what is going on, than with someone who has just bought a chess program >>and installed it on his computer. >> >>I (and, I assume, all other amateur programmers on ICC) have nothing against >>playing commercials. But we want to play against *the author's own account*. >>It would be fantastic if Mark Uniacke, Frans Morsch or Stefan Meyer-Kahlen >>had their own accounts on the ICC and played there regularly. I can >>guarantee that we would all play them as aften as we could. >> >>Tord > >Well thank you Tord. Now I see one must be a "professional" here to make a >statement or ask a question. I apologize for questioning a "professional." Just >remember at one time you also were an amatuer and some ways maybe you still are. > >Perhaps an uncontrolled game would be just as interesting as floundering around >hour after hour in a home test? I am simply curious, perhaps you are not. I >will not bother you again. I am quite sure that you misunderstood TR. Tord's position: "He likes to play against accounts with a live author on the other end of the pipe so he can chat" Your position: "Play against the professional programs." The solution: Download his engine and use Winboard, Arena, or something else to play against the professional engines. I saw nothing derogatory in his tone for you to take offense at.
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