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Subject: Re: Chess Vendor Posting on CCC Surreptitiously

Author: José Carlos

Date: 01:08:59 01/17/04

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On January 16, 2004 at 22:10:15, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On January 16, 2004 at 12:16:56, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>On January 15, 2004 at 21:35:59, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>To All CCC Memebers:
>>>
>>>We toasted Swartz on January 7th and Caissa signed on the very next day.
>>>
>>>Even though the IPs are different, the HTTP_USER_AGENT for both of them is
>>>identical: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; YComp 5.0.2.6)
>>>
>>>For the entire year there were only 6 that were identical to that of the 1000's
>>>of signups.
>>>
>>>The email address that Caissa uses directs one to a site that is sponsored by
>>>Chess Central and only Chess Central sells product there.
>>>
>>>Gary Swartz posted 9 times before he was toasted:
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=315282
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=333630
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=333733
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=333777
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=335464
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=340382
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=340455
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=340497
>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=340597
>>>
>>>All but one was a flagrant advertisement for either Chess Central or Chess
>>>Exchange.
>>>
>>>Swartz had as his username and city:
>>>User name: ChessMagic
>>>City: San Antonio TX
>>>
>>>Caissa has as his username and city:
>>>User name: ChessBrain
>>>City: Texas
>>>
>>>Please boycott Chess Central and Chess Exchange for violating and totally
>>>disrespecting our Charter.
>>>
>>>Please report any repeated posts promoting Chess Central or Chess Exchange.
>>>Anyone posting a post that promotes Chess Central or Chess Exchange will
>>>permanently banned without any warning.  This organization is willfully
>>>violating our charter for their  own financial gain.
>>>
>>>Thank You.
>>>
>>>Michael Byrne
>>
>>  This is just a question, no accusation or complaint whatsoever: isn't Frank
>>Quisinsky's posts selling Ruffian also a violation of the charter?
>>
>>  José C.
>
>I guess it might be - I never thought about it - nobody has ever complained
>about it.  We do not exactly look for problems where none exist and nobody
>complains.  As you state, you ae not making an accusation or complaint whatsover
>either.  The proper way to complain is to contact  the CCC modetaotrs via an
>email - not to post acomplaint about someone else's post. We may not read it.
>We do not lurk here 24 hours  a day looking for posts to delete and I certainly
>do not read every post.
>
>There is also difference between the two posts.   Posts from programmers about
>new release of their program can be construed as an informative if done properly
>and not repetitvely.  Posts from a vendor acting as if he someeone else ,
>repeated over a period of time with essentialy the same message  and who ignores
>requests to stop is totally different.  I am sure if we asked Frank to stop , he
>would never make another post here again, period - is that what you want?

  Thanks for your explanation. The advertisment part of the charter is by far
the less clear to me. I've been seeing ads here since I came for the first time
(in 1999 I think) and I still can't clearly differenciate which are against the
charter and which aren't. Hence my question.
  And to your question, no I don't want to prevent Frank to do advertisments
here. Actually I don't have much of a problem with ads. But I'd like that all
people are treated equally to be fair to everyone.

  José C.



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