Author: José Carlos
Date: 16:49:26 01/17/04
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On January 17, 2004 at 13:37:00, margolies,marc wrote: >your post is unfair and unequal,Jose. I know my english is not very good, so I'll believe your confusion comes from my bad english. >This board is designed to meet the needs of programmers and software users. Computer Chess Club. That's the name. I don't see how it comes down to "programmers and software users club". >This board is **not** designed to meet the advertising needs of competing >vendors, who can afford their own boards. Ok, the only thing I said about that is that _I_ don't have a problem with ads. I believe it's my right to not have problems with whatever I want. That doesn't mean I want ads here, I just don't have a problem with them. >The two groups should not be treated equally here. They should be treated >equally in Law. I don't follow your logic here. Do you mean that if I write a program I can advertise it but others can't? Only I, the programmer? >Posting here is a social contract to obey the rules here. Sorry, I haven't signed a contract at all, as far as I recall. >It is not a fundamental human rights issue. Do you mean that fundamental human rights can be violated under certain contractual circumstances? >And targeting Frank Quisinsky to suffer flack over this commercial >imbroglio is an unfair sideshow. It has nothing to do with equality whatsoever! Even if my english is not good, I believe this sentence is clear enough: "This is just a question, no accusation or complaint whatsoever:" >Is it your ambition to advertise here then? Have I ever do such? You can search the archives, and should do it to answer your question. >Are you setting Frank up as a straw man to give yourself some special >future license? "This is just a question, no accusation or complaint whatsoever:" >You might find my question unfair, but if you can publicly raise the issue of >Frank, who are you really talking about and why aren't you fair game too? This other paragraph is, I believe, also very clear: >> Thanks for your explanation. The advertisment part of the charter is by far >>the less clear to me. I've been seeing ads here since I came for the >>first time (in 1999 I think) and I still can't clearly differenciate >>which are against the charter and which aren't. Hence my question. So in summary: I don't understand the criteria that apply for advertisment issues. Then I ask. I bring Frank as an example. It is crystal clear that he does advertisment here, so the example is valid. I say very clearly that I'm not complaining, just asking. It's my right to ask question about the charte here, I believe. I hope everything is clear now for you. José C. >On January 17, 2004 at 04:08:59, José Carlos wrote: > >>On January 16, 2004 at 22:10:15, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>On January 16, 2004 at 12:16:56, José Carlos wrote: >>> >>>>On January 15, 2004 at 21:35:59, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>> >>>>>To All CCC Memebers: >>>>> >>>>>We toasted Swartz on January 7th and Caissa signed on the very next day. >>>>> >>>>>Even though the IPs are different, the HTTP_USER_AGENT for both of them is >>>>>identical: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; YComp 5.0.2.6) >>>>> >>>>>For the entire year there were only 6 that were identical to that of the 1000's >>>>>of signups. >>>>> >>>>>The email address that Caissa uses directs one to a site that is sponsored by >>>>>Chess Central and only Chess Central sells product there. >>>>> >>>>>Gary Swartz posted 9 times before he was toasted: >>>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=315282 >>>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=333630 >>>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=333733 >>>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=333777 >>>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=335464 >>>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=340382 >>>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=340455 >>>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=340497 >>>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=340597 >>>>> >>>>>All but one was a flagrant advertisement for either Chess Central or Chess >>>>>Exchange. >>>>> >>>>>Swartz had as his username and city: >>>>>User name: ChessMagic >>>>>City: San Antonio TX >>>>> >>>>>Caissa has as his username and city: >>>>>User name: ChessBrain >>>>>City: Texas >>>>> >>>>>Please boycott Chess Central and Chess Exchange for violating and totally >>>>>disrespecting our Charter. >>>>> >>>>>Please report any repeated posts promoting Chess Central or Chess Exchange. >>>>>Anyone posting a post that promotes Chess Central or Chess Exchange will >>>>>permanently banned without any warning. This organization is willfully >>>>>violating our charter for their own financial gain. >>>>> >>>>>Thank You. >>>>> >>>>>Michael Byrne >>>> >>>> This is just a question, no accusation or complaint whatsoever: isn't Frank >>>>Quisinsky's posts selling Ruffian also a violation of the charter? >>>> >>>> José C. >>> >>>I guess it might be - I never thought about it - nobody has ever complained >>>about it. We do not exactly look for problems where none exist and nobody >>>complains. As you state, you ae not making an accusation or complaint whatsover >>>either. The proper way to complain is to contact the CCC modetaotrs via an >>>email - not to post acomplaint about someone else's post. We may not read it. >>>We do not lurk here 24 hours a day looking for posts to delete and I certainly >>>do not read every post. >>> >>>There is also difference between the two posts. Posts from programmers about >>>new release of their program can be construed as an informative if done properly >>>and not repetitvely. Posts from a vendor acting as if he someeone else , >>>repeated over a period of time with essentialy the same message and who ignores >>>requests to stop is totally different. I am sure if we asked Frank to stop , he >>>would never make another post here again, period - is that what you want? >> >> Thanks for your explanation. The advertisment part of the charter is by far >>the less clear to me. I've been seeing ads here since I came for the first time >>(in 1999 I think) and I still can't clearly differenciate which are against the >>charter and which aren't. Hence my question. >> And to your question, no I don't want to prevent Frank to do advertisments >>here. Actually I don't have much of a problem with ads. But I'd like that all >>people are treated equally to be fair to everyone. >> >> José C.
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