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Subject: Re: Can white win?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:56:13 01/18/04

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On January 18, 2004 at 06:26:03, Peter Berger wrote:

>On January 17, 2004 at 17:52:56, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>1.Rg3+ Kh6 2.Rg1 Bd7 3.Re1 Bf5 4.Rf1 Kg6 5.Rg1+ Kf7 6.Kh5 Be6
>>  +-  (1.56)   Depth: 32/51   01:01:57  1839652kN
>>1.Rg3+ Kh6 2.Rg1 Bd7
>>  +-  (1.56)   Depth: 32/51   01:41:06  2909299kN
>>1.Rd1 Be6 2.Rg1+ Kh6 3.Re1 Bd7 4.Rd1 Bc8 5.Rf1 Kg6 6.Rg1+ Kh6 7.Kg3 Be6 8.Kf4
>>Bd7
>>  +-  (1.57)   Depth: 32/51   01:55:52  3277019kN
>>
>
>This is what I get with Yace with a full set of tablebases:
>
>1.Td1 Le6 2.Te1 Ld7 3.Tg1+ Kh6 4.Kg3 Kg7 5.Kf4+ Kf7 6.Te1 Kg6 7.Te3 Kf7 8.Kg3
>Lc8 9.Kh4 Kg6
>  ±  (1.28)   Tiefe: 31/50   01:15:18  1203546kN
>1.Td1 Le6 2.Te1 Ld7 3.Tg1+ Kh6 4.Kg3 Kg7 5.Kf4+ Kf7 6.Ke4 Le6 7.Kd4
>  ±  (1.29)   Tiefe: 32/51   01:39:17  1469856kN
>1.Td1 Le6 2.Te1 Ld7 3.Tg1+ Kh6 4.Kg3 Kg7 5.Kf4+ Kf7 6.Ke4 Le6 7.Kd4
>  ±  (1.29)   Tiefe: 32/51   01:48:42  1545246kN
>
>So I don't think it has really found anything interesting.
>
>I had a look at some somehow similar positions in Dwojetzki's endgame university
>book, and I would be very surprised if your position were won.

My tablebases are not full but the question is what cause yace to show +1.xx
score.

If I continue some moves forward in your line I do not see +1.xx score and I
guess that yace should know to evaluate simple drawn KR vs KB or KP vs K as less
than +1.xx

Is there a bug in yace or another explanation(white wins the pawn but the main
line is wrong?).

Uri



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