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Subject: Re: Ruffian Leiden vs. Shredder 8 (after 8 games)

Author: David H. McClain

Date: 04:54:11 01/18/04

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On January 18, 2004 at 05:46:05, Sandro Necchi wrote:

>Hi,
>
>this is interesting, but testing one program against another one giving selected
>positions does not give a true figure of the programs strenght, in my opinion.
>
>The reason why I have been working so long, and still am, on the books is that
>some programs like some positions and do not like others. This is why even the
>best program cannot play best in all positions and one needs to have at least
>the best 4 (in my opinion) if using them to test/check positions to get the most
>from chess programs.
>
>If the selected positions are more suiting the style of one program than the
>other chess program than the first one may win, but the real test (to me) is to
>test them with their own books as the opening book is part of the program;  a
>very important part. To test with a different book and/or with a book we should
>not use the same name as well as it would be like test the Ferrari with the
>engine made for another car or a different shape...it is not the Ferrari
>anymore...
>
>This is my opionion based on my experience.
>
>Sandro

Sandro,

You may think this is crazy but I tried and used the Hirarcs book available for
download on Chessbase.com with Shredder 7.  For about 5 to 7 games Shredder
played spectacularly then after that it was a disaster and I have stopped using
it.

I don't know what this proves, if anything, except that I enjoy delving into
wildly experimental deviations and parameters.  And I certainly didn't play
enough games to draw any conclusions but I enjoy experimenting like this however
unorthodox it may be.  It may also lean somewhat to your conclusions about using
alternative "books" not specific to engines.

DHM



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