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Subject: Re: Such does a super GM play?

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 23:03:59 01/18/04

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On January 18, 2004 at 15:49:36, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Sandro,
>
>> well my opinion is that today best chess programs, includind Shredder 8, play
>> some positions like super GM, other positions like GM and other positions
>> much weaker.
>> I wrote several articles in the Scacco! chess magazine on this matter from
>> 1991 to 1999.
>> I think this problem will not be solved soon.
>> We will have to wait some years to have programs not to play weak in some
>> positions.
>
>well, my opinion is, that nowadays chessprograms can achieve results even like
>super GMs but with a totally different playing style - you know, when you would
>take another viewpoint e.g. from the engines point of view you can also say: "I
>do not understand those humans - this simple tactical loss of a pawn in 12 moves
>was oversean by him but then he cames out with such a strong positional move ->
>sometimes take play like top programs, sometimes like the upper class and
>sometimes like childs" - Shredder ended... :)

I agree.

>
>The simple fact is, that chess engines play chess totally different then humans
>do - they get better and better to hide this, sometimes we even think that they
>have a plan (which is with current algorithms simply nonsens). I believe that
>even in more then 10 years you will find positions where engines look totally
>stupid... to us - the humans...

I agree.

>
>Greets, Thomas
>
>P.S.: Well, when thinking about books - this is grown theory over 100 and more
>years - a GM with let's say an opening knowledge of 1900 - e.g. Lasker - would
>have really problems facing nowadays opening knowledge at a tourney... not only
>chess programs have advantages out of the grown knowledge - also all the
>players... besides: 3. Ld3 in the french did really make me upset in Graz... :)

Are you really really sure?

>Great research, great move... you bookcooker guys are even as magic as the top
>programmers like Stefan, Frans, Christophe, Amir, Shay, Chrilly, Mark and all
>the others...

Thanks, we try to improve...

Ciao
Sandro



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