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Subject: Re: Fritz 5.32 vs Shredder 8.

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 06:54:57 01/19/04

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On January 19, 2004 at 09:02:05, Mark Young wrote:

>On January 19, 2004 at 04:07:06, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>   A played a match of 22 games between Shredder 8 and Fritz 5.32 with the
>>following results
>>
>>  Time control: 15' Ponder=off Powerbook2004 with maximun variety of play,
>>learn=off, Hash=64 mb
>>
>>   I know these are too little games to extract any conclusion, but i think this
>>must have some meaning.
>>
>>
>>PABLO-ILFE1CXZX, Blitz:15'  0
>>
>>                1234567890123456789012
>>1   Shredder 8  11111½½1111½111½1111½1 19.5/22  +17/-0/=5 88.64% +356 elo dif
>>2   Fritz 5.32  00000½½0000½000½0000½0  2.5/22  +0/-17/=5 11.36%
>>
>>
>>
>>  Well, i was feeling some curiosity about the result of a match like this would
>>be and that's why i did it. I remember back in 1999 Fritz 5.32 played in
>>Hannover 2 games against Kasparov with 15' each, and tie the match with 2 draws.
>>
>>  It is not difficult to guess that, given the above result, Shredder 8 is much
>>stronger than Kasparov himself at 15' blitz. If Shredder 8 is able to score 99%
>>against most of humans, i don't think it finds much trouble getting 80%, maybe
>>more against a supergm (+2700 fide elo) at this time control. What do you think
>>about this?
>>
>>  And of course, here are the games
>
>Computer programs are stronger then any human at fast time controls. We have
>many results on ICC to back up this claim. I have seen very strong GM Players
>lose 10 or 20 or more games in a row to programs like Shredder, Hiarcs,
>Crafty... It is rare to see a draw, and even more so to see the human win. I
>can't remember seeing a GM win on ICC, when I have been watching in a very long
>time.

Have those GM someting to lose if they play computers on ICC?
Is that really serious?

I don't think so.

Michael

>This is not to hard to understand. Super GM's have only been able to draw their
>matches to programs at standard time controls. ( Fritz, Junior, Hiarcs)
>
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