Author: Mark Young
Date: 07:14:43 01/19/04
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On January 19, 2004 at 09:54:57, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On January 19, 2004 at 09:02:05, Mark Young wrote: > >>On January 19, 2004 at 04:07:06, Pablo Rodriguez wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> A played a match of 22 games between Shredder 8 and Fritz 5.32 with the >>>following results >>> >>> Time control: 15' Ponder=off Powerbook2004 with maximun variety of play, >>>learn=off, Hash=64 mb >>> >>> I know these are too little games to extract any conclusion, but i think this >>>must have some meaning. >>> >>> >>>PABLO-ILFE1CXZX, Blitz:15' 0 >>> >>> 1234567890123456789012 >>>1 Shredder 8 11111½½1111½111½1111½1 19.5/22 +17/-0/=5 88.64% +356 elo dif >>>2 Fritz 5.32 00000½½0000½000½0000½0 2.5/22 +0/-17/=5 11.36% >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, i was feeling some curiosity about the result of a match like this would >>>be and that's why i did it. I remember back in 1999 Fritz 5.32 played in >>>Hannover 2 games against Kasparov with 15' each, and tie the match with 2 draws. >>> >>> It is not difficult to guess that, given the above result, Shredder 8 is much >>>stronger than Kasparov himself at 15' blitz. If Shredder 8 is able to score 99% >>>against most of humans, i don't think it finds much trouble getting 80%, maybe >>>more against a supergm (+2700 fide elo) at this time control. What do you think >>>about this? >>> >>> And of course, here are the games >> >>Computer programs are stronger then any human at fast time controls. We have >>many results on ICC to back up this claim. I have seen very strong GM Players >>lose 10 or 20 or more games in a row to programs like Shredder, Hiarcs, >>Crafty... It is rare to see a draw, and even more so to see the human win. I >>can't remember seeing a GM win on ICC, when I have been watching in a very long >>time. > >Have those GM someting to lose if they play computers on ICC? >Is that really serious? > >I don't think so. This is not a valid argument. Many play on ICC and I don't know of one who plays to lose. This argument has been seen before to justify computers only winning games because the GM's had nothing to play for money wise. This argument has been show to be false, GM's still don't win matches playing computers even when they are "really serious". > >Michael > >>This is not to hard to understand. Super GM's have only been able to draw their >>matches to programs at standard time controls. ( Fritz, Junior, Hiarcs) >> >> >>> >>>
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