Author: Ricardo Gibert
Date: 21:05:01 01/19/04
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On January 19, 2004 at 22:09:57, Paul Doire wrote: >On January 19, 2004 at 21:51:45, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>On January 19, 2004 at 21:35:00, Ed Panek wrote: >> >>>On January 19, 2004 at 18:05:35, Christophe Theron wrote: >>> >>>>On January 19, 2004 at 16:47:04, Paul Doire wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 19, 2004 at 16:26:57, Paul Doire wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>PIII 450, WINSE, 256 RAM >>>>>>CHESSBASE GUI, 32 MB RAM HASH, >>>>>>PONDER OFF, FRITZ7.CTG >>>>>> >>>>>>Fritz book used for its size other tourneys utilized smaller >>>>>>higher ELO books. >>>>>>Also Shredder 704 was using special settings Haddad 1.2DP5, >>>>>>which I obtained from >>>>>>http://members.lycos.co.uk/chesslovers/zied/ >>>>>> >>>>>>I also ran identical tourney on Celeron 542 Mhz >>>>>>with Shredder at default. Post to follow. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ratings were assigned using Fritz 8 at 2753 per SSDF. >>>>>> >>>>>>Top Ten SSDF, Fritz7ctg, Shr1.2DP5 ,5mi 2004 >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 >>>>>>1 Chess Tiger 15.0 2771 +3 *** ½1½ 11½ ½½½ 01½ 0½½ ½11 10½ 101 110 >>>>>>16.5/27 219.50 >>>>>>2 Fritz 8 2771 +3 ½0½ *** 0½1 11½ 1½½ ½½0 111 ½½0 11½ 110 >>>>>>16.5/27 213.25 >>>>>>3 Deep Fritz 8 2771 +3 00½ 1½0 *** 0½½ ½10 11½ 111 ½11 101 101 >>>>>>16.5/27 207.75 >>>>>>4 Ruffian 2.0.0 2714 0 ½½½ 00½ 1½½ *** ½00 ½½1 ½½0 ½11 ½11 ½01 >>>>>>14.0/27 >>>>>>5 Shredder 7.04 2703 0 10½ 0½½ ½01 ½11 *** ½01 ½01 ½10 0½½ ½10 >>>>>>13.5/27 >>>>>>6 Deep Fritz 7 2681 -1 1½½ ½½1 00½ ½½0 ½10 *** 00½ ½½½ ½½1 ½½½ >>>>>>12.5/27 169.75 >>>>>>7 Junior 8 2681 -1 ½00 000 000 ½½1 ½10 11½ *** 0½1 ½½½ 111 >>>>>>12.5/27 153.00 >>>>>>8 Hiarcs 9 2658 -1 01½ ½½1 ½00 ½00 ½01 ½½½ 1½0 *** 001 ½½½ >>>>>>11.5/27 >>>>>>9 Deep Junior 8 2647 -2 010 00½ 010 ½00 1½½ ½½0 ½½½ 110 *** ½01 >>>>>>11.0/27 >>>>>>10 The King 3.23 2635 -2 001 001 010 ½10 ½01 ½½½ 000 ½½½ ½10 *** >>>>>>10.5/27 >>>>>> >>>>>>Average elo: 2703 <=> Category: 19 >>>>>>gm = 9.72 m = 4.32 >>>>> >>>>>Second tournament >>>>>Shredder 704 default >>>>>Ratings were assigned using Fritz 8 at 2753 per SSDF. >>>>> >>>>>Note Elo top to bottom difference 136 1st tournament >>>>>Note Elo top to bottom difference 120 2nd tournament >>>>> >>>>>Top Ten SSDF, Fritz7ctg,ShredDef, 5min- 2004 >>>>> >>>>>Top Ten SSDF, Fritz7ctg,ShredDef, 5min- 2004 >>>>> >>>>> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 >>>>>1 Shredder 7.04 2764 +2 *** ½½1 ½½1 11½ 0½½ 10½ ½½½ ½01 11½ 0½1 >>>>>16.0/27 >>>>>2 Fritz 8 2753 +1 ½½0 *** 10½ 111 ½11 0½0 010 ½11 1½½ 01½ >>>>>15.5/27 205.00 >>>>>3 Hiarcs 9 2753 +1 ½½0 01½ *** ½10 ½½½ 111 ½½0 0½1 110 ½11 >>>>>15.5/27 201.25 >>>>>4 Chess Tiger 15.0 2742 0 00½ 000 ½01 *** ½1½ ½½½ 1½1 01½ 111 11½ >>>>>15.0/27 >>>>>5 Deep Fritz 8 2730 +1 1½½ ½00 ½½½ ½0½ *** ½½1 10½ 11½ 0½1 101 >>>>>14.5/27 >>>>>6 Junior 8 2708 0 01½ 1½1 000 ½½½ ½½0 *** ½1½ 111 10½ 0½0 >>>>>13.5/27 >>>>>7 Deep Junior 8 2686 -1 ½½½ 101 ½½1 0½0 01½ ½0½ *** 01½ 00½ 101 >>>>>12.5/27 >>>>>8 Deep Fritz 7 2652 -2 ½10 ½00 1½0 10½ 00½ 000 10½ *** ½0½ 111 >>>>>11.0/27 146.00 >>>>>9 Ruffian 2.0.0 2652 -2 00½ 0½½ 001 000 1½0 01½ 11½ ½1½ *** ½0½ >>>>>11.0/27 144.75 >>>>>10 The King 3.23 2640 -2 1½0 10½ ½00 00½ 010 1½1 010 000 ½1½ *** >>>>>10.5/27 >>>>> >>>>>Average elo: 2708 <=> Category: 19 >>>>>gm = 9.72 m = 4.32 >>>>> >>>>>Looks like Shredder 7.04 Default is stronger per this group of games. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>No, you cannot conclude that. You do not have enough games for any statistical >>>>evidence. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Christophe >>> >>> >>>Statistically speaking he can make any conclusion he wishes..its just that his >>>degree of confidence will be lower. :-) >>> >>>Ed >> >>I usually refrain from pointing such things. The level of understanding >>mathematical topics is not high here and pointing such things out does not seem >>to remedy the situation. >> >>For a very similar example to yours, see: >> >>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?343165 >> >>I usually prefer to just sit back and chuckle. :-) > >Dear ...ahem chuckler.....pleaaase. >I never made statistical signifance of these findings....I claimed simply some >conclusions based on "these games"...a tad more than 5 ...so math is obviously >not your strength either. This is my opinion based on this small sampling. >Sounds like laughing one, you may need a remedial reading lesson as well as a >math lesson, although I am sure this will not remedy the situation..I prefer to >sit back and laugh. :-) My comment wasn't really about you at all. However, your paranoia seems to be insisting otherwise. The point of EP's comment was that it is perfectly reasonable to draw conclusions from a small sample, even though the confidence in the conclusion won't be particularly high. The ones that made me chuckle were CT and RH, since rejecting the conclusion out of hand is definitely not reasonable. So you see, until your response to me, you had emerged unscathed only to fall on your own sword at the last moment.
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