Author: Paul Doire
Date: 15:53:36 01/20/04
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On January 20, 2004 at 18:44:13, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>On January 20, 2004 at 17:50:18, Paul Doire wrote:
>
>>On January 20, 2004 at 17:42:11, Thorsten Czub wrote:
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>>>IMO Hiarcs9 is the strongest chess program in the moment.
>>>i doubt that shredder8 is stronger. so far it has not convinced me.
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>>That is not true necessarily,
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>???
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>what do you mean with this ??
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>>and with more games things can change.
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>i am playing more games too. so far it is not looking like that hiarcs9 loses to
>shredder8.
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>>Here is almost 1200 games under a variety of parameters
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>this is nice, but these are only numbers.
>i have seen games.
I have posted all the games right here, and am running more ....all
blitz. Hiarcs is certainly strong...but the best?
The smaller tourneys that those numbers consisted of showed
different winners and Hiarcs was never one of them.
Subject: 3-72 game Blitz tourneys 216 games Top Engines
The last tourney of the three was posted a few days ago.
I wanted to show tourneys together for comparison.
Last 2 played on PIII 450, 256MB RAM, WIN98SE, CHESSBASE GUI
First played on 542 Celeron, 128MB RAM, WIN98SE, CHESSBASE GUI
First 2 Tourneys PONDER OFF
Last PONDER ON
All Ruffian logs were OK no reduced hash sizes.
Chess Tiger 15 1st tourney NORMAL
Last 2 GAMBIT
32 MB Ram hash for all
First two tourneys used 2700ArturoOchoa.ctg
Last used 2700.ctg
All were 5 minute blitz
Best in 5 Cranston 2004
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1 The King 3.23 ** 01 1½ ½1 11 01 11 10 0½ 10.5/16
2 Deep Fritz 8 10 ** 0½ 01 ½1 11 10 01 11 10.0/16
3 Hiarcs 9 0½ 1½ ** ½1 ½0 01 ½0 11 11 9.5/16 69.25
4 Chess Tiger 15.0 ½0 10 ½0 ** 0½ 11 01 11 11 9.5/16 65.00
5 Shredder 7.04 00 ½0 ½1 1½ ** 10 01 ½1 11 9.0/16
6 Fritz 8 10 00 10 00 01 ** ½1 ½1 10 7.0/16
7 Deep Junior 8 00 01 ½1 10 10 ½0 ** 00 ½1 6.5/16 51.50
8 Junior 8 01 10 00 00 ½0 ½0 11 ** 1½ 6.5/16 46.75
9 Ruffian 2.0.0 1½ 00 00 00 00 01 ½0 0½ ** 3.5/16
The best in 2004
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1 Deep Junior 8 ** 00 01 01 11 11 11 ½1 11 11.5/16
2 Fritz 8 11 ** 1½ ½0 ½½ 10 ½1 11 ½1 11.0/16
3 Shredder 7.04 10 0½ ** ½1 01 1½ 11 11 10 10.5/16
4 The King 3.23 10 ½1 ½0 ** 01 0½ ½0 ½1 11 8.5/16
5 Deep Fritz 8 00 ½½ 10 10 ** 10 10 ½1 10 7.5/16
6 Hiarcs 9 00 01 0½ 1½ 01 ** 01 ½0 01 6.5/16 50.25
7 Chess Tiger 15.0 00 ½0 00 ½1 01 10 ** 0½ 11 6.5/16 44.00
8 Ruffian 2.0.0 ½0 00 00 ½0 ½0 ½1 1½ ** 10 5.5/16
9 Junior 8 00 ½0 01 00 01 10 00 01 ** 4.5/16
5 min 2700.ctg trn-1 2004
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1 Deep Junior 8 ** 11 ½0 11 10 11 11 11 11 13.5/16
2 Deep Fritz 8 00 ** ½½ 01 11 1½ 11 11 11 11.5/16
3 Fritz 8 ½1 ½½ ** 0½ 1½ 01 11 1½ 11 11.0/16
4 Junior 8 00 10 1½ ** 01 10 11 11 11 10.5/16 60.50
5 Shredder 7.04 01 00 0½ 10 ** 11 11 11 11 10.5/16 59.50
6 Hiarcs 9 00 0½ 10 01 00 ** 1½ 11 11 8.0/16
7 Chess Tiger 15.0 00 00 00 00 00 0½ ** 1½ 11 4.0/16
8 The King 3.23 00 00 0½ 00 00 00 0½ ** 10 2.0/16
9 Ruffian 2.0.0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 ** 1.0/16
Subject: Another Blitz tournament 135 games
PIII 450, WIN 98SE, 256 RAM
PONDER OFF, 32MBRAM HASH, 2700ARTUROOCHOA.CTG
3,4,5 man TABLEBASES, 5 MIN BLITZ
FRITZ 8 GUI
Note:
Shredder 7.04 was set to aggressive
ChessTiger15 Normal
IGNORE King...forgot OPK number
SSDF 5 min champ 2004 135 games
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
1 Junior 8 *** 111 10½ 101 1½0 ½00 010 1½1 111 111 18.0/27
2 Fritz 8 000 *** ½01 0½0 0½½ 111 111 101 111 11½ 16.5/27
3 Deep Fritz 7 01½ ½10 *** 000 1½½ 11½ 111 1½0 001 111 16.0/27
4 Shredder 7.04 010 1½1 111 *** 001 ½01 010 10½ ½½½ 11½ 15.5/27
5 Deep Fritz 8 0½1 1½½ 0½½ 110 *** 0½½ ½00 ½1½ 1½½ 111 15.0/27 180.00
6 Deep Junior 8 ½11 000 00½ ½10 1½½ *** ½0½ 110 ½11 111 15.0/27 177.25
7 Hiarcs 9 101 000 000 101 ½11 ½1½ *** ½10 010 111 14.0/27
8 Chess Tiger 15.0 0½0 010 0½1 01½ ½0½ 001 ½01 *** 001 111 12.0/27 138.75
9 Ruffian 2.0.0 000 000 110 ½½½ 0½½ ½00 101 110 *** 111 12.0/27 132.75
10 The King 3.23 000 00½ 000 00½ 000 000 000 000 000 *** 1.0/27
PIII 450, WINSE, 256 RAM
>CHESSBASE GUI, 32 MB RAM HASH,
>PONDER OFF, FRITZ7.CTG
>
>Fritz book used for its size other tourneys utilized smaller
>higher ELO books.
>Also Shredder 704 was using special settings Haddad 1.2DP5,
>which I obtained from
>http://members.lycos.co.uk/chesslovers/zied/
>
>I also ran identical tourney on Celeron 542 Mhz
>with Shredder at default. Post to follow.
>
>Ratings were assigned using Fritz 8 at 2753 per SSDF.
>
>Top Ten SSDF, Fritz7ctg, Shr1.2DP5 ,5mi 2004
>
> 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
>1 Chess Tiger 15.0 2771 +3 *** ½1½ 11½ ½½½ 01½ 0½½ ½11 10½ 101 110
>16.5/27 219.50
>2 Fritz 8 2771 +3 ½0½ *** 0½1 11½ 1½½ ½½0 111 ½½0 11½ 110
>16.5/27 213.25
>3 Deep Fritz 8 2771 +3 00½ 1½0 *** 0½½ ½10 11½ 111 ½11 101 101
>16.5/27 207.75
>4 Ruffian 2.0.0 2714 0 ½½½ 00½ 1½½ *** ½00 ½½1 ½½0 ½11 ½11 ½01
>14.0/27
>5 Shredder 7.04 2703 0 10½ 0½½ ½01 ½11 *** ½01 ½01 ½10 0½½ ½10
>13.5/27
>6 Deep Fritz 7 2681 -1 1½½ ½½1 00½ ½½0 ½10 *** 00½ ½½½ ½½1 ½½½
>12.5/27 169.75
>7 Junior 8 2681 -1 ½00 000 000 ½½1 ½10 11½ *** 0½1 ½½½ 111
>12.5/27 153.00
>8 Hiarcs 9 2658 -1 01½ ½½1 ½00 ½00 ½01 ½½½ 1½0 *** 001 ½½½
>11.5/27
>9 Deep Junior 8 2647 -2 010 00½ 010 ½00 1½½ ½½0 ½½½ 110 *** ½01
>11.0/27
>10 The King 3.23 2635 -2 001 001 010 ½10 ½01 ½½½ 000 ½½½ ½10 ***
>10.5/27
>
>Average elo: 2703 <=> Category: 19
>gm = 9.72 m = 4.32
Second tournament
Shredder 704 default
Ratings were assigned using Fritz 8 at 2753 per SSDF.
Note Elo top to bottom difference 136 1st tournament
Note Elo top to bottom difference 120 2nd tournament
Top Ten SSDF, Fritz7ctg,ShredDef, 5min- 2004
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
1 Shredder 7.04 2764 +2 *** ½½1 ½½1 11½ 0½½ 10½ ½½½ ½01 11½ 0½1
16.0/27
2 Fritz 8 2753 +1 ½½0 *** 10½ 111 ½11 0½0 010 ½11 1½½ 01½
15.5/27 205.00
3 Hiarcs 9 2753 +1 ½½0 01½ *** ½10 ½½½ 111 ½½0 0½1 110 ½11
15.5/27 201.25
4 Chess Tiger 15.0 2742 0 00½ 000 ½01 *** ½1½ ½½½ 1½1 01½ 111 11½
15.0/27
5 Deep Fritz 8 2730 +1 1½½ ½00 ½½½ ½0½ *** ½½1 10½ 11½ 0½1 101
14.5/27
6 Junior 8 2708 0 01½ 1½1 000 ½½½ ½½0 *** ½1½ 111 10½ 0½0
13.5/27
7 Deep Junior 8 2686 -1 ½½½ 101 ½½1 0½0 01½ ½0½ *** 01½ 00½ 101
12.5/27
8 Deep Fritz 7 2652 -2 ½10 ½00 1½0 10½ 00½ 000 10½ *** ½0½ 111
11.0/27 146.00
9 Ruffian 2.0.0 2652 -2 00½ 0½½ 001 000 1½0 01½ 11½ ½1½ *** ½0½
11.0/27 144.75
10 The King 3.23 2640 -2 1½0 10½ ½00 00½ 010 1½1 010 000 ½1½ ***
10.5/27
Average elo: 2708 <=> Category: 19
gm = 9.72 m = 4.32
Looks like Shredder 7.04 Default is stronger per this group of games.
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