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Subject: Re: Are 6-piece EGTB's worth it?

Author: Mike Hood

Date: 20:59:51 01/21/04

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On January 21, 2004 at 19:59:31, Rory Nolan wrote:

>On January 21, 2004 at 17:21:52, Kolss wrote:
>
>>On January 21, 2004 at 17:02:30, Mike Hood wrote:
>>
>>>Here's a small example of "perfect play" using the KRPP-KR tablebase. It's not
>>>the only path that leads to mate, there are a few possible branches along the
>>>way, but there are no shorter paths. How many engines playing black without
>>>6-piece EGTBs could get a win against an engine playing white with 6-piece
>>>EGTBs? Not many, if any. Take a look
>>>
>>>[D] 3R4/6k1/8/6p1/7p/2r5/7K/8 b - - 0 63
>>>
>>>63...Kg6 64. Rh8 Kf5
>>>65. Rf8+ Kg4 66. Rd8 Rc2+ 67. Kg1 h3 68. Rd4+ Kg3 69. Rd3+ Kh4 70. Rd8 g4 71.
>>>Rd4 Kg3 72. Rd3+ Kf4 73. Rd4+ Kf3 74. Rd3+ Ke4 75. Rd8 g3 76. Re8+ Kf4 77. Rf8+
>>>Ke5 78. Re8+ Kf6 79. Re1 Kg5 80. Rd1 Rf2 81. Rd5+ Kg4 82. Rd4+ Rf4 83. Rd2 h2+
>>>84. Kg2 Rf2+ 85. Rxf2 gxf2 86. Kxf2 h1=Q 87. Ke3 Qd5 88. Ke2 Kf4 89. Kf1 Qa2
>>>90. Ke1 Ke3 91. Kd1 Qb1#
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I do not have any 6-piece TB - is Kg6 the only winning move in this position (or
>>does e.g. Kh6 or a rook move along the rank win as well)? Maybe you could give a
>>listing of all possible moves with the respective evaluation?!
>>
>>Best regards - Munjong.
>New game
>3R4/6k1/8/6p1/7p/4r3/7K/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Tablebase 3.0:
>
>1. -+ (-#29): 1.Kg2
>2. -+ (-#29): 1.Rc8
>3. -+ (-#29): 1.Rb8
>4. -+ (-#29): 1.Ra8
>5. -+ (-#29): 1.Rd6
>6. -+ (-#28): 1.Kg1
>7. -+ (-#28): 1.Kh1
>8. -+ (-#28): 1.Rd7+
>9. -+ (-#28): 1.Rd5
>10. -+ (-#28): 1.Rd4
>11. -+ (-#28): 1.Rd2
>12. -+ (-#28): 1.Rd1
>13. -+ (-#9): 1.Re8
>14. -+ (-#8): 1.Rd3
>15. -+ (-#8): 1.Rf8
>16. -+ (-#8): 1.Rg8+
>17. -+ (-#8): 1.Rh8
>
>(Nolan, 22.01.2004)

It's black's move :)

But it isn't just a matter of finding the first move. Can an engine playing
black without 6-piece EGTBs fid ALL the correct moves? Or will it make a mistake
and fall into a drawn position?



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