Author: José Carlos
Date: 11:54:15 01/22/04
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On January 22, 2004 at 14:24:30, Thao Tak-Sen wrote: >On January 22, 2004 at 14:13:54, José Carlos wrote: > >>On January 22, 2004 at 14:08:42, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >> >>>On January 22, 2004 at 11:25:26, José Carlos wrote: >>> >>>>On January 22, 2004 at 10:33:22, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 22, 2004 at 09:56:50, José Carlos wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Hi Jose, >>>>> >>>>>> It is very easy, just say the truth instead of lying. In your web page and in >>>>>> the CD box put "Untested version of Ruffian. Maybe stronger or maybe not". >>>>> >>>>>You forget Ruffian Leiden, maybe my text is not clear enough or your search now >>>>>for a new story :-) >>>>> >>>>>Please read my answers! >>>>>We test Ruffian versions a long time before the tournament in Leiden started and >>>>>... Ruffian won the tournament in Leiden! In this case you have not a very good >>>>>point for a discuss :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes I do. You lie. I denounce it. That's a good enough point. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Then >>>>>> not even one customer can complain. >>>>>> But if you choose to put "strongest winboard program in the world", you'd >>>>>> better test very well or get ready to millions of complaints. >>>>> >>>>>Oh, now the old discuss! >>>>>I have no other results from WB Ruffian. >>>>>You can read my comments to this topic in CCC. >>>>>I will not write every time to the same topic. >>>>> >>>>>Please use the search option from this forum! >>>> >>>> >>>> Oh really? Do you really said in the archives that Ruffian 2 was not well >>>>tested? Mmm, when I search I only see nonsene like "70-100 elo stronger than >>>>Ruffian 1.0.5" and things like that. Now you admit you didn't test it well, so >>>>you were lying. Simply. >>>> >>>> José C. >>> >>>Hi Jose, >>> >>>you are good, you find now an other point :-) >>>I am very interesting for your next point ... lets go! >>> >>>Yes, I am sure that the new Ruffian versions (I tested version 2.0.0 and beta >>>versions of version 2.0.0) >> >> >> You keep contradicting yourself. You say "Ruffian 2 is not enough tested" and >>also "I tested Ruffian 2 and I'm sure it's stronger...". >> >> José C. >> >> >>>are 70 ELO stronger as Ruffian 1.0.5 and 100 ELO >>>stronger as Ruffian 1.0.0. I believe I am the once of the Ruffian beta testers >>>in the test phase of this CD which have not so good Ruffian Leiden version >>>results. At the moment I test a little bit the Leiden version ... >>> >>>Sorry, but I have no other results. >>>Please read the first message in this thread for an example! >>> >>>You can find different messages on different webpages (Alex Schmidt, Patrick >>>Buchmann and others which see ~ 70 ELO more too, or search in my forum for >>>exactly results. >>> >>>I test Ruffian under Arena Chess GUI. >>>I don't know what the others made ... >>> >>>Best >>>Frank > > >Jose, > >Ruffian 2 is the best engine to become commercial, >version 2 is better than commercial first release version of >fritz,hiarcs,shredder,tiger and junior > >Ruffian 2 is better than shredder 3,which is commercial >this is the first commercial ruffian version,this version is having 2700+ in >SSDF list >does shredder had this? All of this has nothing to do with the discussion. >then its not the problem for the customers of Ruffian....... >i do not understand what exactly is the problem for you? Truth vs lies. That's the problem. Frank lies. He says he has tested Ruffian 2 and it is the strongest winboard in the world. Then Deep Sjeng wins Leo Diskman tournament, which doesn't prove Deep Sjeng is better than Ruffian 2, but shows there's doubt enough for that Frank's claim to be unacceptable. Then it seems that Ruffian 2 is weaker than other versions of Ruffian. Now Frank comes and says he has not tested Ruffian 2 enough and the other version can be stronger. Then I point this out and Frank comes again to say he has tested Ruffian 2 very well... I, myself, don't have any problem. I haven't bought Ruffian and I won't do it. It's a discussion about professional ethics, not about a problem I have. I'm only asking Frank to say the truth to the customers from the begining. José C.
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