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Subject: Re: How long time for your program to have Ng6 with a winning score?

Author: Tord Romstad

Date: 07:16:21 01/25/04

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On January 24, 2004 at 21:53:51, Torstein Hall wrote:

>[D]3r1rk1/pp2bpp1/4pn1p/q1p1N2P/3P1B2/8/PPP1QPP1/1K1R3R w - - 0 18
>
>The 13 year old IM Magnus Carlsen got this position as white against IM Spike
>Ernst at Chorus today. How long time do your program need to find Ng6 with a
>winning score?

Finding the move is easy, but a winning score is not.  My engine chooses the
right
move after just a couple of seconds, but even after 14 plies and 5 minutes (on a
Pentium IV 2.4 GHz) the score is only +0.77:

 1        0.11     0.00        229 Nf3
 2        0.06     0.00        682 Qe3 cxd4 Rxd4 Rxd4
 3        0.06     0.02       3068 Qe3 cxd4 Rxd4 Rxd4
 4       -0.05     0.07       9860 Nc4 Qa4 Be5 cxd4 Rxd4
 5        0.36     0.25      27479 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Rxd1+ Rxd1 Qxc5
                                   Rd8+
 6    >=  0.36     0.27      29928 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Rxd1+ Rxd1 Qxc5
                                   Rd8+
 6    <=  0.36     0.38      45176 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Rxd1+ Rxd1 Qxc5
                                   Rd8+
 6        0.36     0.38      45176 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Rxd1+ Rxd1 Qxc5
                                   Rd8+
 7    <=  0.34     0.58      74407 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxd2
 7    <=  0.33     0.58      76199 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxd2
 7    <=  0.30     0.59      78985 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxd2
 7    <=  0.22     0.70      97249 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxd2
 7    <=  0.06     1.52     210422 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxd2
 7    >= -0.19     1.61     230456 dxc5 Bxc5 Rxd8 Rxd8 Qf3 Qb6 Bxh6 Bxf2
 7    >= -0.17     1.62     231555 dxc5 Bxc5 Rxd8 Rxd8 Qf3 Qb6 Bxh6 Bxf2
 7    >= -0.11     1.64     236709 dxc5 Bxc5 Rxd8 Rxd8 Qf3 Qb6 Bxh6 Bxf2
 7    >=  0.03     1.79     268572 Qf3 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Bc3 cxd4 Bxd4
 7    <=  0.05     1.83     277591 Qf3 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Bc3 cxd4 Bxd4
 7    >=  0.05     1.84     280635 Qf3 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Bc3 cxd4 Bxd4
 7        0.05     1.84     280635 Qf3 Nd5 Bd2 Qc7 Bc3 cxd4 Bxd4
 8    >=  0.05     2.43     409721 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxd2 Qxd8
 8    >=  0.06     2.44     410396 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxd2 Qxd8
 8    >=  0.12     2.44     412382 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxd2 Qxd8
 8    >=  0.27     2.46     416218 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxd2 Qxd8
 8    <=  0.50     2.66     446826 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7
 8    <=  0.48     2.67     448982 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7
 8    <=  0.45     2.68     452539 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7
 8    >=  0.39     2.70     455515 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7
 8    >=  0.41     2.70     456009 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7
 8    <=  0.44     2.71     458450 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7
 8    >=  0.44     2.72     459754 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7
 8        0.44     2.72     459754 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7
 9    >=  0.44     3.11     511780 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1
 9    >=  0.45     3.12     514506 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1
 9    >=  0.52     3.14     520647 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1
 9    <=  0.64     3.97     676528 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1
 9    <=  0.62     4.00     687322 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1
 9    <=  0.59     4.04     700548 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1
 9    <=  0.52     4.30     756433 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Bd6 b6 Qe1
                                   Qa4
 9        0.52     4.30     756433 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Bd6 b6 Qe1
                                   Qa4
10    <=  0.50     8.87    1429277 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1 Nc6
10    <=  0.48     9.25    1519004 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1 Nd5
10    >=  0.47     9.82    1642393 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1 Nd5
10    <=  0.47     9.97    1684581 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1 Nd5
10        0.47     9.97    1684581 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1 Nd5
11    <=  0.45    17.38    3283822 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1 Rf7
11    <=  0.44    18.03    3477125 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1 Rf7
11    <=  0.41    19.69    3897893 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 Qxe7 Nd5 Bd2 Qxa2+
                                   Kxa2 Nxe7 Rhe1 Rf7
11    >=  0.34    21.39    4263432 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7
11    >=  0.36    21.48    4288562 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7
11    <=  0.39    22.33    4531948 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7
11    >=  0.39    22.48    4570872 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7
11        0.39    22.48    4570872 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7
12    >=  0.39    27.08    5578050 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1
12    >=  0.41    27.44    5675258 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1
12    >=  0.47    28.17    5872636 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1
12    >=  0.61    31.78    6716406 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1
12    <=  0.84    42.21    8941488 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1 cxd4
12    <=  0.83    42.98    9165917 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1 cxd4
12    <=  0.80    43.66    9391501 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1 cxd4
12    <=  0.72    45.82    9954012 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1 cxd4
12    >=  0.62    49.41   10761950 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1 cxd4
12    >=  0.64    49.67   10843777 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1 cxd4
12    >=  0.70    51.22   11199786 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1 cxd4
12    <=  0.70    51.89   11414469 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1
12        0.70    51.89   11414469 Ng6 fxg6 Qxe6+ Kh8 hxg6 Ng8 Bxh6 gxh6
                                   Rxh6+ Nxh6 Qxe7 Nf7 gxf7 Kg7 Rh1
13    <=  0.69     1:30   19858782 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Rd1 e5 Qh4 Rc8
13    <=  0.67     1:35   21320874 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Rd1 e5 Qh4 Rc8
13    <=  0.64     1:44   23481040 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Rd1 e5 Qh4 Rc8
13    >=  0.58     1:47   24148950 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Qg3 Nxc5 Bxh6
13    >=  0.59     1:47   24187769 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Qg3 Nxc5 Bxh6
13    <=  0.62     1:57   26796935 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Qg3 Nxc5 Bxh6
13    >=  0.62     1:59   27101581 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Qg3 Nxc5 Bxh6
13        0.62     1:59   27101581 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Qg3 Nxc5 Bxh6
14    >=  0.62     2:39   36036294 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Qg3 Nxc5 Bxh6
14    >=  0.64     2:44   37298976 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Qg3 Nxc5 Bxh6
14    >=  0.70     2:54   39785397 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Qa4 Qg3 Nxc5 Bxh6
14    <=  0.83     4:02   54832115 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Nf6 Qf3 Qxc5 Bxh6 Rc8
14    <=  0.81     4:23   59932352 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Nf6 Qf3 Qxc5 Bxh6
14    <=  0.78     4:34   62977070 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Nf6 Qf3 Nd5
14    >=  0.72     4:42   64784309 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Nf6 Qf3 Nd5
14    >=  0.73     4:47   66088257 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Nf6 Qf3 Nd5 Bd6 b6 Qa3
14    <=  0.77     5:07   70880417 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Nf6 Qf3 Nd5
14    >=  0.77     5:16   73203743 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Nf6 Qf3 Nd5 Bd6 b6 Qa3 Qd2 Qf3
14        0.77     5:16   73203743 Ng6 Rfe8 Nxe7+ Rxe7 dxc5 Red7 Rxd7 Nxd7
                                   Qg4 Nf6 Qf3 Nd5 Bd6 b6 Qa3 Qd2 Qf3

Tord



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