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Subject: Re: ELO 2700 or stupid? (Yace Paderborn)

Author: Chessfun

Date: 07:58:44 01/25/04

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On January 25, 2004 at 10:24:14, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On January 25, 2004 at 09:19:25, Harald Faber wrote:
>
>>Looks like an easy one because the tbs are near:
>>
>>[D]7b/8/kq6/8/8/1N2R3/K2P4/8 w - - 0 1</FONT>
>>
>>White to move and draw.
>>But the so-called ELO giants are helpless unless the first move is played on the
>>board. But then within seconds they calculate the idea.
>
>
>    Hi Harald
>    Yace Paderborn UCI finds the solution.
>    Kurt
>
>Yace Paderborn  UCI: (P4 1.8/32 MB hash, Arena 1.02)
> 1   00:00 -4.80   d4 Bxd4 Nxd4 Qxd4
> 1   00:00 -3.89   Re7
> 2   00:00 -4.17   Re7 Kb5
> 2   00:00 -4.11   Kb1 Kb5
> 2   00:00 -4.10   Re4 Kb5
> 3   00:00 -3.84   Re4 Qf2 Rb4
> 4   00:00 -4.02   Re4 Qf2 Ra4+ Kb5 Ka3
> 4+  00:00 -4.01   Re8 Bg7 Re7 Qd6
> 4   00:00 -3.99   Re8 Bg7 Re7 Qg1
> 5   00:00 -3.96   Re8 Bg7 Rg8 Qa7 d3
> 6   00:00 -4.04   Re8 Bg7 Re7 Bf8 Rf7 Qb4
> 7   00:00 -4.20   Re8 Bg7 Rg8 Qa7 Kb1 Qg1+ Ka2 Kb5
> 7+  00:00 -4.19   Rh3 Bg7 Rh5 Bc3 dxc3 Qa7
> 7   00:00 -4.19   Rh3 Bf6 Re3 Kb5 Kb1 Bg7 Kc1
> 8   00:01 -4.25   Rh3 Bg7 Rh4 Qf6 Rd4 Qc6 Rf4 Kb5
> 8+  00:01 -4.24   Re8 Bg7 Rg8 Kb7
> 8   00:01 -4.22   Re8 Bg7 Re4 Qc6 Rf4 Qc2+ Ka3 Qd3 Kb4
> 9   00:02 -4.26   Re8 Bg7 Rg8 Qa7 Kb1 Qf7 Ra8+ Kb7 Ra3 Kc6
> 9+  00:03 -4.25   Kb1 Bd4 Rg3 Kb5
> 9   00:04 -4.25   Kb1 Bd4 Rg3 Kb7 Ka2
>10   00:09 -4.28   Kb1 Bd4 Rg3 Kb7 Rd3 Qg6 Kc2 Bg7 Na5+ Kb6 Nb3
>11   00:10 -4.31   Kb1 Bd4 Rg3 Kb7 Rd3 Qg6 Kc2 Be5 Na5+ Ka6 Nc4 Qc6
>11+  00:16 -4.30   Nd4 Qf6
>11+  00:16 -3.88   Nd4 Bg7 Ra3+ Kb7 Rb3 Qb4
>11+  00:17  0.00   Nd4 Bg7 Ra3+ Kb7 Rb3 Bf8 Rxb6+ Kxb6
>11   00:17  0.00   Nd4 Bg7 Ra3+ Kb7 Rb3 Bxd4 Rxb6+ Bxb6 d3 Ba7 d4 Bb8 d5 Bc7 d6
>Bb8 d7 Bc7 d8Q Bxd8
>12   00:17  0.00   Nd4 Bg7 Ra3+ Kb7 Rb3 Bxd4 Rxb6+ Bxb6 d3 Ba7 d4 Bb8 d5 Bc7 d6
>Bb8 d7 Bc7 d8Q Bxd8
>13   00:19  0.00   Nd4 Bg7 Ra3+ Kb7 Rb3 Bxd4 Rxb6+ Bxb6 d3 Ba7 d4 Bb8 d5 Bc7 d6
>Bb8 d7 Bc7 d8Q Bxd8
>14   00:21  0.00   Nd4 Bg7 Ra3+ Kb7 Rb3 Bxd4 Rxb6+ Bxb6 d3 Ba7 d4 Bb8 d5 Bc7 d6
>Bb8 d7 Bc7 d8Q Bxd8
>15   00:26  0.00   Nd4 Bg7 Ra3+ Kb7 Rb3 Bxd4 Rxb6+ Bxb6 d3 Ba7 d4 Bb8 d5 Bc7 d6
>Bb8 d7 Bc7 d8Q Bxd8
>16   00:36  0.00   Nd4 Bg7 Ra3+ Kb7 Rb3 Bxd4 Rxb6+ Bxb6 d3 Ba7 d4 Bb8 d5 Bc7 d6
>Bb8 d7 Bc7 d8Q Bxd8
>17   00:56  0.00   Nd4 Bg7 Ra3+ Kb7 Rb3 Bxd4 Rxb6+ Bxb6 d3 Ba7 d4 Bb8 d5 Bc7 d6
>Bb8 d7 Bc7 d8Q Bxd8

What tablebases do you have loaded here if any?. My PC is faster but only
produces a faster result with no tablebases?.

No tablebases is almost immediate.

XP 2600+ 32MB
New game
7b/8/kq6/8/8/1N2R3/K2P4/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace Paderborn:
1.Ka3 Kb5 2.Ka2 Qf6 3.Nd4+ Kc4 4.Ra3 Kxd4 5.Re3
  -+  (-7.33)   Depth: 8/20   00:00:00  81kN
1.Nd4 Qf6
  -+  (-7.32)   Depth: 8/20   00:00:00  82kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka7 4.Ra3+ Kb8 5.Rb3+ Ka8 6.Ra3+ Qa7
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 8/20   00:00:00  103kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka7 4.Ra3+ Kb8 5.Rb3+ Ka8 6.Ra3+ Qa7
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:00  103kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka7 4.Ra3+ Kb8 5.Rb3+ Ka8 6.Ra3+ Qa7
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 9/21   00:00:00  211kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka7 4.Ra3+ Kb8 5.Rb3+ Ka8 6.Ra3+ Qa7
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 9/24   00:00:00  211kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Qa7
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 10/24   00:00:00  319kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Qa7
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:00  319kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Qa7
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 11/25   00:00:00  653kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Qa7
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:01  653kN
1.Nd4 Bg7 2.Re6 Qd6
  -+  (-3.92)   Depth: 12/29   00:00:01  901kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb8 5.Rb3+ Kc8 6.Rb8+ Kc7 7.Rxd8 Kb7
  -+  (-2.92)   Depth: 12/29   00:00:01  938kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/29   00:00:01  1066kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/29   00:00:01  1135kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/29   00:00:02  1521kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/30   00:00:03  1671kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/32   00:00:04  2458kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/32   00:00:05  2733kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/34   00:00:08  4241kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/36   00:00:10  4751kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16/38   00:00:17  7982kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16/38   00:00:21  9070kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17/40   00:00:41  15587kN
1.Nd4 Qd8 2.Ra3+ Kb7 3.Rb3+ Ka8 4.Ra3+ Kb7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17/40   00:00:50  17718kN

(Bird, Barrie 25.01.2004)

5 Piece tablebases;
New game
7b/8/kq6/8/8/1N2R3/K2P4/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace Paderborn:
1.Re8 Bg7 2.Re4 Qc6 3.Rf4 Qc2+ 4.Ka3 Qd3 5.Kb4
  -+  (-4.22)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:01  912kN
1.Re8 Bg7 2.Rg8 Qa7 3.Kb1 Qf7 4.Ra8+ Kb7 5.Ra3 Kc6
  -+  (-4.26)   Depth: 9/24   00:00:01  1544kN
1.Re8 Bg7 2.Rg8 Qa7 3.Kb1 Qf7 4.Ra8+ Kb7 5.Ra3 Kc6
  -+  (-4.26)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:02  2269kN
1.Re8 Bg7 2.Rg8 Qc7 3.Kb1 Qe5 4.Ra8+ Kb7 5.Ra2 Qe1+ 6.Kc2 Kc6
  -+  (-4.41)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:03  3707kN
1.Rh3 Bg7
  -+  (-4.40)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:04  5053kN
1.Rh3 Qf6 2.Ka3 Qd6+ 3.Ka2 Bg7 4.Rh5 Bc3 5.dxc3 Qd3 6.Ra5+ Kb7
  -+  (-4.36)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:06  6857kN
1.Kb1 Bd4 2.Rg3 Kb5
  -+  (-4.35)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:07  7761kN
1.Kb1 Bd4 2.Rg3 Qb7 3.Ka2 Qb4 4.Kb1 Kb5 5.Kc1 Bf2
  -+  (-4.34)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:07  8237kN
1.Kb1 Bd4 2.Rg3 Qb7 3.Ka2 Qb4 4.Kb1 Kb5 5.Kc1 Bf2
  -+  (-4.34)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:09  10043kN
1.Kb1 Bd4 2.Rg3 Qb7 3.Ka2 Qb4 4.Kb1 Qd6 5.Rg5 Bc3 6.dxc3 Qd3+ 7.Ka2 Qe3 8.Nc5+
Kb5
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:11  12572kN
1.Kb1 Bd4 2.Rg3 Qb7 3.Ka2 Qb4 4.Kb1 Qd6 5.Rg5 Bc3 6.dxc3 Qd3+ 7.Ka2 Qe3 8.Nc5+
Kb5
  -+  (-4.32)   Depth: 11/31   00:00:14  14685kN
1.Kb1 Bd4 2.Rg3 Qd6 3.Rg5 Bf6 4.Ra5+ Kb6 5.Ka2 Bg5 6.Rxg5 Qd3
  -+  (-4.35)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:18  18914kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Kc6 4.Rc3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka7
8.Ra3+ Kb8 9.Rb3+ Kc8 10.Rc3+ Kb8 11.Rb3+ Kc8 12.Rc3+ Kb8 13.Rb3+
  -+  (-4.34)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:34  34444kN
1.Nd4 Bg7 2.Re6 Qd6
  -+  (-3.92)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:34  35052kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka7 4.Nb5+ Kb7 5.Nxc7+ Kc6
  -+  (-2.92)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:34  35071kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:34  35273kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:35  35314kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/36   00:00:35  35789kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/36   00:00:35  35949kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/36   00:00:36  36881kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 14/36   00:00:37  37161kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/36   00:00:40  39050kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/36   00:00:41  39588kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16/36   00:00:47  43705kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 16/38   00:00:50  44902kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17/38   00:01:06  53410kN
1.Nd4 Qc7 2.Ra3+ Kb6 3.Rb3+ Ka6 4.Ra3+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 17/40   00:01:13  55620kN

(Bird, Barrie 25.01.2004)





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