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Subject: Re: ELO 2700 or stupid?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:02:35 01/25/04

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On January 25, 2004 at 09:19:25, Harald Faber wrote:

>Looks like an easy one because the tbs are near:
>
>[D]7b/8/kq6/8/8/1N2R3/K2P4/8 w - - 0 1</FONT>
>
>White to move and draw.
>But the so-called ELO giants are helpless unless the first move is played on the
>board. But then within seconds they calculate the idea.

No
The elo giants are not helpless.

Not only stupid Movei can see it but also yace and shredder7.04.

Here is shredder7.04 without most of the tablebases

New game
7b/8/kq6/8/8/1N2R3/K2P4/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 7.04:

1.Nd4 Qxd4
  -+  (-7.38)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Nd4 Qxd4
  -+  (-8.70)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.Nd4 Qxd4
  -+  (-8.18)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.d4 Bxd4
  -+  (-5.91)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1.d4 Bxd4 2.Nxd4 Qxd4
  -+  (-5.91)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
1.Re7
  -+  (-5.24)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
1.Re7
  -+  (-5.24)   Depth: 1/4   00:00:00
1.Re7 Qg1
  -+  (-5.56)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1.Re7 Qg1
  -+  (-5.56)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1.Re8 Qa5+ 2.Nxa5
  -+  (-5.55)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
1.Re8 Bf6
  -+  (-5.38)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
1.Re8 Bf6 2.d3
  -+  (-5.48)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
1.Re4 Qe3 2.dxe3
  -+  (-5.47)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
1.Re4 Bf6 2.d4
  -+  (-5.42)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
1.Re4 Qc6 2.Rb4 Qc2+ 3.Ka3
  -+  (-5.69)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
1.Re4 Qc6 2.Rb4 Qc2+ 3.Ka3
  -+  (-5.69)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
1.Re8 Qxb3+ 2.Kxb3 Kb5 3.Rxh8
  -+  (-5.68)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
1.Re8 Bg7 2.Rc8 Qb4
  -+  (-5.61)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
1.Re8 Bf6 2.Rc8 Qe6 3.Rb8
  -+  (-5.59)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00
1.Re8 Qf6 2.Ka3 Qd6+ 3.Ka2 Be5 4.d3
  -+  (-5.75)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:00  26kN
1.Re4 Qc6 2.Ka3 Bd4 3.Rxd4 Qc1+ 4.Nxc1
  -+  (-5.74)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  32kN
1.Re4 Bf6 2.Rc4 Kb5 3.Rc5+ Ka4 4.Rc4+ Kb5 5.Rc5+ Ka4 6.Rc4+ Kb5 7.Rc5+
  -+  (-5.63)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  42kN
1.Re4 Bf6 2.Rg4 Qd6 3.d4 Kb5 4.Rg6
  -+  (-5.73)   Depth: 7/19   00:00:00  78kN
1.Kb1 Bd4 2.Rg3 Kb5 3.Nxd4+ Qxd4 4.Kc2 Qb2+ 5.Kxb2
  -+  (-5.72)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:01  123kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Kb5 3.Rh3 Be5 4.d3 Qg2
  -+  (-5.72)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:01  138kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Kb5 3.Kd1 Qb1+ 4.Ke2 Bg7 5.Rg3 Bb2
  -+  (-5.89)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:01  230kN
1.Rh3 Be5 2.d4 Kb5 3.dxe5 Qa5+ 4.Nxa5 Kxa5 5.Rb3
  -+  (-5.88)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:01  318kN
1.Rh3 Bf6 2.Rh5 Qb4 3.Ra5+ Kb6 4.d3 Kc7 5.Re5
  -+  (-5.87)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:02  370kN
1.Rh3 Bf6 2.Rf3 Kb5 3.Kb1 Kb4 4.Na1 Bxa1 5.Kxa1
  -+  (-6.00)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:02  504kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Bf6
  -+  (-5.99)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:03  601kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Kb5 3.Kd1 Qb1+ 4.Ke2 Bf6 5.Rg3 Kc4 6.Na5+ Kd4
  -+  (-5.97)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:03  694kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Kb5 3.Kd1 Qb1+ 4.Ke2 Kb4 5.Re8 Bb2 6.Rb8+ Kc4 7.Kf3
  -+  (-5.96)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:06  1200kN
1.Rh3 Bf6 2.Rh5 Qb4 3.Ra5+ Kb6
  -+  (-5.95)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:07  1483kN
1.Rh3 Bf6 2.Rh5 Qb4 3.Ra5+ Kb6 4.d3 Qc3 5.Na1
  -+  (-5.95)   Depth: 10/27   00:00:07  1499kN
1.Rh3 Bg7 2.Rg3 Qf6 3.Rc3 Kb5 4.Nc1 Qe6+ 5.Rb3+ Kc4 6.d3+ Kd4 7.Ka3
  -+  (-6.20)   Depth: 11/27   00:00:13  2886kN
1.Rh3 Bg7 2.d4 Bxd4 3.Nxd4 Qxd4 4.Rh7 Kb5 5.Kb3
  -+  (-6.58)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:17  3657kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Bg7
  -+  (-6.57)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:17  3886kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Qg1+ 3.Kc2 Bf6
  -+  (-6.22)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:18  4120kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Kb5 3.Rh3 Bg7 4.Re3 Qg4 5.Rd3
  -+  (-6.05)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:22  4910kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Kb5 3.Rh3 Bg7 4.Re3 Qg4 5.Kc2 Qf5+ 6.Kd1 Qb1+ 7.Ke2 Kc4
  -+  (-6.11)   Depth: 12/32   00:00:29  6361kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Kb5 3.Rh3 Qf6 4.Re3 Qf1+ 5.Kc2 Qf5+ 6.Kc1 Kc4 7.d4
  -+  (-6.21)   Depth: 13/33   00:00:48  10285kN
1.Kb1 Qg6+ 2.Kc1 Kb5 3.Rh3 Qf6 4.Re3 Qf1+ 5.Kc2 Qf5+ 6.Kc1
  -+  (-6.24)   Depth: 14/35   00:01:24  17939kN
1.Kb1 Bd4 2.Rg3 Qd6 3.Rg4 Bf6 4.Kc2 Qc6+ 5.Kb1 Qf3 6.Ra4+ Kb5 7.Nd4+ Bxd4 8.Rxd4
Qd1+ 9.Kb2 Kc5 10.Rd8
  -+  (-6.25)   Depth: 15/38   00:02:38  34712kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Ka5 4.Ra3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka5
8.Ra3+
  -+  (-6.24)   Depth: 15/38   00:05:02  66422kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Ka5 4.Ra3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka5
8.Ra3+
  -+  (-5.89)   Depth: 15/38   00:05:29  72830kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Ka5 4.Ra3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka5
8.Ra3+
  µ  (-1.00)   Depth: 15/38   00:05:30  73216kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Ka5 4.Ra3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka5
8.Ra3+
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 16/38   00:05:32  73750kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Ka5 4.Ra3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka5
8.Ra3+
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 17/38   00:05:47  76819kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Ka5 4.Ra3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka5
8.Ra3+
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 18/38   00:06:05  80423kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Ka5 4.Ra3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka5
8.Ra3+
  ³  (-0.70)   Depth: 19/38   00:06:29  85239kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Ka5 4.Ra3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka5
8.Ra3+
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 19/38   00:06:31  85642kN
1.Nd4 Qxd4 2.Ra3+ Kb5 3.Rb3+ Ka5 4.Ra3+ Kb6 5.Rb3+ Ka5 6.Ra3+ Kb6 7.Rb3+ Ka5
8.Ra3+
  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 19/38   00:06:33  86094kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 25.01.2004)


Uri



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