Author: Thomas Mayer
Date: 11:49:12 01/27/04
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Hi Mogens, >> well, for a programmer the showed stuff here in this forum somewhere should >> be already enoug to get very suspicious... of course similar strings, >> filenames etc. do not give enough evidence to call something a clone or >> crafty-related or whatever - but it makes one suspicious... Suspicious >> enough to ask the author for some prove. He refused. According to the rule >> he must be disqualified then because he does not follow the rules... >> Anyway, I heard that someone has even debugged List (I have no idea which >> version) and in the evaluation nearly everything was crafty-like. I have not >> done this myself, so I can not say to much about this - but this makes one >> even more suspicious... > Since it's a Crafty clone, it would be easy to check a number of positions > for similarity in evaluation. That has to be the most minimal of > requirements for raising suspicion. Again, it was never claimed as a clone -> the claim was only that it might have some Crafty in it - which is a) not allowed due to the rules of the ICGA and b) not allowed to the Crafty license itself (you may take a look in the Crafty Source Code). And as far as I know they did test some positions in a one ply search... (Where the search itself does not play such a big role - mainly the eval decides about the move choosed in a one ply search...) - and the version of List they did test showed almost always the same score and move... And about those facts given here in the forum -> for every programmer I did talk with, those shown facts would have been enough that the Author should be asked what is going on... > A general search among amateur engines would IMO reveal numerous similarities > without conctituting anything resembling a clone. I doubt it... I still think that most programmers are honest people. At the moment I feel only suspicious about two of the better (better means better then Gerbil or TSCP) amateur engines... >> If this is NOT true, I wonder why he had so many problems a) to show the >> Jury some evidence that it is original b) to give afterwards some >> statements. > Well, maybe he got pissed or lack of time. It really doesn't matter. The > value of the accusation determines either way. again, the given facts were enough that the ICGA was forced to ask Mr. Reul what is going on... Nearly every programmer agrees to that. Greets, Thomas
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