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Subject: Re: List

Author: Ulrich Tuerke

Date: 09:22:05 01/28/04

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On January 28, 2004 at 07:20:32, Mike S. wrote:

>On January 27, 2004 at 22:55:22, Thomas Mayer wrote:
>
>>(...) What should they have done ?
>
>Take a couple of balanced normal positions with a variety of plausible
>continuations, download Crafty, and simply run List & Crafty in these positions.
>Then compare the engine output each, BEFORE DISQUALIFYING SOMEBODY ONLY BASED ON
>SUSPICION WITHOUT A PROOF.

Unfortunately, things are not that simple.
Changing a few parameters in the evaluation module, adding a few tactical
extensions to the search will easily produce a very different play.

Note that I am not claiming that Fritz had done this. But it's very hard to tell
without his help, and so we still have these unfortunate speculations.

Uli

>
>I guess even a newbie computerchess fan would find that idea.
>
>(It was done after the incident by others, and no similarities have been found.)
>
>Why didn't the responsible ICGA officials find that simple idea?
>
>Actually they could have asked the one who raised the protest then (or right
>away), if he didn't make that comparison, before issueing such a serious
>suspicion. They should have demanded better data supporting the protest first,
>or try to find such data themselves as described above, before starting to
>prosecute the "defendant" when the evidence (if it could be called evidence at
>all) was so weak.
>
>I'm afraid the ICGA is not aware that Computerchess WCh's are not just friendly
>social gatherings of people sharing a hobby anymore, but tough serious
>competition with a worldwide audience and potential influence on income and life
>of the participants. IOW that their decisions can have really serious
>consequences for the participants affected. I really think this has been
>underestimated. Also, they may not have been aware that List was just about to
>reach a commercial performance level (or even had reached it already) which
>makes things even more serious.
>
>And I mean real commercial level, not just putting a price tag on it.
>
>Regards,
>M.Scheidl



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