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Subject: Re: diminishing returns

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:43:39 01/30/04

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On January 30, 2004 at 09:28:38, GuyHaworth wrote:

>
>Several self-play experiments have been run with the two sides set to different
>plies of 'basic search depth', a concept somewhat open to debate given that one
>would not wish to prevent an engine chasing a line to stability if it wanted to.
>
>The most comprehensive experiment was by Ernst Heinz:  his results have been
>published in his book and (a later and larger experiment) in papers.
>
>
>I re-analysed the 'significance' of the results because I believed that the
>claim of 'diminishing returns' could be made with more statistical_confidence
>than Ernst was attributing to the data.
>
>Ernst' exp went to 12 plies, not 16.  There is a possibility that it is more
>meaningful to compare a match of 12-11 games with a match of 10-9 games (i.e. a
>whole move different) rather than comparing 12-11 with 11-10 and 11-10 with 10-9
>- because of the stm/sntm bias.
>
>From memory, I think the benefit was about 50 ELO (not plies) were ply at the 12
>level ... and decreasing.

50-70 elo is estimates that I read for doubling the speed(50 elo probably for
slower time control).
searching one ply deeper is more than doubling the speed so it is clearly more
than 50 elo.

>
>
>A related question that I'm pondering at the moment:  how many ELO are lost by
>halving the time available to the computer?
>
>g

if you assume no pondering than it is about 50-70 elo.

Uri



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