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Subject: Re: Transposition into won endgame

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 23:48:07 01/31/04

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On January 31, 2004 at 05:42:09, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On January 31, 2004 at 05:21:06, Mike S. wrote:
>
>>On January 30, 2004 at 17:51:32, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>The position below is from a 90m+30s game between
>>>Shredder8 and ChessTiger15 in which White easily
>>>won with 45.Qf6 and an won pawn ending.
>>
>>Another one, where White even gives a bishop to being exchange queens and
>>transpose into a won pawn endgame (KPP-KPP only). It occured in a game Crafty
>>17.14 - Delfi 4.2, 40/10m P3/700 MHz. IIRC, only 4-piece tbs. were available.
>>
>>[D]8/8/2q1k3/1p2B3/3Q4/PKP5/1P6/8 w - - 0 86
>>
>>86.Qd6+!
>>
>>I don't know if it's the fastest way to mate (I guess so), but also Qd6+ is
>>human-like IMO, because after the very simple
>>
>>86. Qd6+ Qxd6 87. Bxd6 Kxd6 88. a4
>>
>>it's very easy for White. So no need to deal with "endless" counter-checks from
>>a black queen...
>>
>>Analysis by Crafty 19.06, P3/700 MHz:
>>
>>86.Kb4 Qb7 87.Qc5 Kf5 88.Qxb5 Qa8 89.Bd6+ Kg6 90.Qd3+ Kf6 91.Qd4+ Kf7 92.a4
>>  +-  (7.84)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
>>  +-  (9.50)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:10  3613kN, tb=9
>>86.Qd6+ Qxd6 87.Bxd6 Kxd6 88.Kb4 Kc6 89.a4 Kb6 90.b3 Kc6 91.a5 Kd6 92.Kxb5 Kd5
>>93.a6
>>  +-  (10.58)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:11  3747kN, tb=13
>>  +-  (11.44)   Depth: 13/32   00:00:22  8183kN, tb=223
>>
>>Regards,
>>Mike Scheidl
>
>
>     Hi Mike
>     It's quite remarkable that Crafty 19.06 found the most
>     easiest and human-like win with Qd6+. Most engines are
>     simply unable to do so [exception = Deep Sjeng 1.5 UCI].
>     Kurt



This time Chess Tiger X has another opinion. It finds Qd6+ very quickly on my
P3M-933MHz (6Mb HT, no tablebase):

N10    0.93s  Qd6+ Qxd6 Bxd6 Kxd6 c4 Kc6 cxb5+ Kxb5 a4+ Ka5 Ka3           +8.12

(solution found in 0.93 second)

I expect the final version to find it much faster actually.



    Christophe



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