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Subject: Very interesting

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 01:38:31 02/01/04

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On January 31, 2004 at 19:29:18, Jaime Benito de Valle Ruiz wrote:

>I came across this position almost by accident. A few moves before this, my
>"poor engine" was giving a huge score for white in no time, while Ruffian
>sticked to draw. So I reanalized the whole thing.
>Why can't Ruffian 1.05 find an easy 1.Qd5 and win? Null move? Special Pruning?
>
>[d]Q7/8/1p1K4/1p6/2k5/8/1P6/4q3 w - -

1.Qd5 Kb4 2.Qd3 puts Black in an amusing zugzwang.

I don't know why your post has not attracted more attention. The position you
post is certainly more interesting than it appears at first blush. Since the
position does involve zugzwang, nullmove could be the culprit as you have
guessed, but only the programmer knows the real explanation for his programs
failure.

I'm curious how other programs fair with this position. Ruffian 1.01 fails just
like Ruffian 1.05. This contrasts sharply with Fritz 8, which gets the solution
almost instantly with a huge plus score.

>
>Ruffian_105  UCI 60 MB:
>D1  00:00  -2.11   b2b3 Kc4xb3
>D1  00:00  -0.98   Kd6c6
>D1  00:00  -0.24   Qa8c6 Kc4b4 Qc6xb6
>D2  00:00  -0.24   Qa8c6 Kc4b4 Qc6xb6
>D2  00:00  -0.16   Qa8d5 Kc4b4 Kd6c6 Qe1e3 Qd5xb5
>D2  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D3  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D4  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D5  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D6  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D7  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D8  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D9  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D10  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D11  00:00  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D12  00:01  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D13  00:04  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D14  00:08  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D15  00:17  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D16  00:33  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D17  01:04  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2
>D18  02:02  0.00   Qa8a2 Kc4b4 Qa2a3 Kb4c4 Qa3a2



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