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Subject: Re: Very interesting

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 05:26:39 02/01/04

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On February 01, 2004 at 04:38:31, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On January 31, 2004 at 19:29:18, Jaime Benito de Valle Ruiz wrote:
>
>>I came across this position almost by accident. A few moves before this, my
>>"poor engine" was giving a huge score for white in no time, while Ruffian
>>sticked to draw. So I reanalized the whole thing.
>>Why can't Ruffian 1.05 find an easy 1.Qd5 and win? Null move? Special Pruning?
>>
>>[d]Q7/8/1p1K4/1p6/2k5/8/1P6/4q3 w - -
>
>1.Qd5 Kb4 2.Qd3 puts Black in an amusing zugzwang.
>
>I don't know why your post has not attracted more attention. The position you
>post is certainly more interesting than it appears at first blush. Since the
>position does involve zugzwang, nullmove could be the culprit as you have
>guessed, but only the programmer knows the real explanation for his programs
>failure.
>
>I'm curious how other programs fair with this position. Ruffian 1.01 fails just
>like Ruffian 1.05. This contrasts sharply with Fritz 8, which gets the solution
>almost instantly with a huge plus score.
>

I can report that crafty 19.03 shows the identical behavior as ruffian.  At
least running under winboard, the outputs look the same.

My program, otoh, behaves like Fritz. :)

Will



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