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Subject: Re: Fun Rating List...including Ruffian Leiden

Author: Chessfun

Date: 08:55:40 02/01/04

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On February 01, 2004 at 10:44:16, Frank Quisinsky wrote:

>On February 01, 2004 at 09:08:50, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On February 01, 2004 at 05:06:34, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>
>>>On January 31, 2004 at 23:48:06, Chessfun wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>All Ruffian Leiden games with Leiden book at 30'/40+30'/40+15'
>>>>AMD XP 2600+
>>>>All native books where possible, general.ctg where not.
>>>>
>>>>Top 20.
>>>>
>>>>Program                  Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
>>>>
>>>>  1 Deep Fritz 8       : 2683   47  42   160    61.3 %   2603   37.5 %
>>>>  2 Hiarcs 9           : 2646   47  39   180    56.9 %   2598   36.1 %
>>>>  3 Fritz 8            : 2637   29  23   450    56.4 %   2592   38.7 %
>>>>  4 Deep Fritz 7       : 2635   32  26   374    56.3 %   2591   36.6 %
>>>>  5 Deep Junior 8      : 2632   43  39   210    57.1 %   2583   28.6 %
>>>>  6 Shredder 7         : 2631   37  31   290    55.3 %   2594   32.8 %
>>>>  7 Tiger 15 normal    : 2631   33  24   377    54.9 %   2597   42.4 %
>>>>  8 Tiger 15 gam agr   : 2629   48  44   163    58.0 %   2573   31.3 %
>>>>  9 Junior 8           : 2628   46  37   190    55.5 %   2589   36.3 %
>>>> 10 Shredder 7.04      : 2619   37  29   310    54.7 %   2586   34.5 %
>>>> 11 Shredder Paderbo   : 2615   40  31   262    54.0 %   2587   34.7 %
>>>> 12 Fritz 7            : 2613   22  19   732    58.1 %   2556   38.7 %
>>>> 13 Chess Tiger 14.0   : 2606   22  16   842    56.2 %   2563   43.2 %
>>>> 14 Ruffian 2.0.0      : 2604   39  59   140    49.6 %   2607   40.7 %
>>>> 15 Gambit Tiger 2.0   : 2604   21  16   878    57.3 %   2553   41.8 %
>>>> 16 Fritz 7 (No MMX)   : 2602   49  36   162    58.0 %   2546   44.4 %
>>>> 17 Deep Fritz         : 2591   26  20   605    54.1 %   2562   36.9 %
>>>> 18 Ruffian 1.0.1      : 2587   46  32   220    51.4 %   2577   38.2 %
>>>> 19 Ruffian Leiden2003 : 2583   38  54   160    48.4 %   2594   38.1 %
>>>> 20 List 504           : 2580   28  45   230    48.9 %   2587   46.5 %
>>>>
>>>
>>>Did Ruffian Leiden play with general.ctg?
>>
>>>>All Ruffian Leiden games with Leiden book at 30'/40+30'/40+15'
>>
>>> Ruffian Leiden has comparable performance with Ruffian 1.01? I have analysed
>>>with those two engines some games and i've seen that Ruffian Leiden is MUCH
>>>better than Ruffian 1.01. So the result of it must be unlucky if there is such a
>>>word for chess. I hope in the next games it's performance to be improved.
>>> As i'm too lazy to look at your previous posts to see how Ruffian 1.01
>>>performed against all other programs, can you post it's statistics here please?
>>
>>(18) Ruffian 1.0.1             : 220 (+ 71,= 84,- 65), 51.4 %
>>
>>Hiarcs 7.32                   :  10 (+  4,=  3,-  3), 55.0 %
>>Chess Tiger 14.0              :  10 (+  3,=  2,-  5), 40.0 %
>>Gambit Tiger 2.0              :  10 (+  4,=  2,-  4), 50.0 %
>>Goliath Light 1.5             :  10 (+  8,=  1,-  1), 85.0 %
>>Deep Junior 7                 :  10 (+  3,=  2,-  5), 40.0 %
>>Fritz 7                       :  10 (+  6,=  1,-  3), 65.0 %
>>Gandalf 5.1                   :  10 (+  3,=  4,-  3), 50.0 %
>>Shredder 6                    :  10 (+  3,=  3,-  4), 45.0 %
>>Tiger 15 normal style         :  10 (+  1,=  4,-  5), 30.0 %
>>Hiarcs 8                      :  10 (+  5,=  3,-  2), 65.0 %
>>Shredder Paderborn            :  20 (+  5,=  8,-  7), 45.0 %
>>Crafty 18.15                  :  10 (+  4,=  5,-  1), 65.0 %
>>Deep Fritz 7                  :  10 (+  0,=  5,-  5), 25.0 %
>>Chessmaster 9000              :  20 (+  6,=  8,-  6), 50.0 %
>>Tiger 15 gambit agressive     :  10 (+  2,=  3,-  5), 35.0 %
>>Fritz 8                       :  20 (+  4,= 14,-  2), 55.0 %
>>Deep Sjeng 1.0                :  10 (+  7,=  3,-  0), 85.0 %
>>List 504                      :  10 (+  2,=  6,-  2), 50.0 %
>>Hiarcs 9                      :  10 (+  1,=  7,-  2), 45.0 %
>>
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>Hi,
>
>bad results vs. Chess Tiger but with more time Ruffian killed ChessTiger 14, 15.
>Chess Tiger is a strong program for fast games but a good program must be played
>with every time controls strong (the words by Christophe Theron). Unfortunatly,
>Ruffian is in Blitz not very strong ...
>
>Best
>Frank


I'm not sure if you're talking about the NEW results of Ruffian Leiden or these
of 1.0.1 which are probably a year old.

If you look close enough you'll probably see that Hiarcs is what destroyed
Leiden.

Either way Ruffian won your tourney at 10'/40 most of mine are at 60' 3" the
Leiden engine games were at 30'/40+30'/40+15. So personally I doubt there would
be much difference between 120'/40 on the SSDF's 1200's or mine ran at 30'/40
but I guess time will tell. But IMO 2.0.0 is the strongest version.

Also I'm not sure I understand what your trying to say re Chess Tiger. If it's
that it's better in blitz than standard then while I don't agree, I'll add that
the games played against all Ruffian versions IMO are not blitz.

Sarah.






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