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Subject: Re: But it takes Crafty twice the processing power to compete against...

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 17:07:45 02/01/04

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On February 01, 2004 at 19:37:19, Jasmine Baer wrote:

>On February 01, 2004 at 19:19:28, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On February 01, 2004 at 15:27:34, Dave Kuntzsch wrote:
>>
>>>On February 01, 2004 at 15:05:02, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 01, 2004 at 13:42:03, C McClain Morris, Jr. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Commercial or not, this is a strong program.
>>>>
>>>>But it takes twice the processing power like a Quad Opteron to compete against
>>>>Fritz 8, or Shredder 8 on a single processor :-)
>>>
>>>That's the fallacy of CCT. If everyone is running on a different machine, what's
>>>being proven?
>>
>>Why a "fallacy" -- is every race car identically the same in every autorace.
>>Are skier racers asked to ski on indentical skis ?  Are runners require to wear
>>identical racing shoes?  Do jockeys compete on identical horses? etc etc.
>>
>>The hardware is part of the competition.  In fact where there is usually
>>hardware or equipment in competive events, the equipement /hardware choice is
>>usually part of the competition.  it's just the way it is - Bob has been
>>planning for the fast 64 bit , multiple CPU machine for a long time - anybody
>>could have "planned" for that scenario - Bob just happens to be one of the few.
>
>One wouldn't show up to a top-fuel funny car race with a gas-powered 4 cylinder
>engine.  One wouldn't show up to a World Cup Slalom wearing skis designed for
>the downhill.  One wouldn't show up for a 10K road race wearing spikes designed
>for the track.  And last, but not least, a jockey wouldn't show up for a
>Kentucky Derby qualifying race on one of the Budweiser Clydesdales.
>
>I would like to see the computer chess championship held with the following
>divisions:
>
>1. Single CPU - uses the "average" CPU that consumers can obtain at that given
>moment.  Even years = AMD  Odd years = Intel

Used to be done.  Died for lack of interest.  Look up "uniform platform computer
chess tournament".  Nobody cared, basically.
>
>2. Dual CPU same as above
>
>3. Open Division - anything goes.
>

I see no real reason for 2.  You could make a case for 1 cpu vs N cpus, but that
 doesn't strike me as very reasonable, since some choose to work on SMP
algorithms that take time to develop and debug, while others choose to work on a
non-SMP program and spend their time on the basic chess part of things...

Both are important.  SMP programs demonstrate why.





>Obviously these divisions could be refined, but I think the idea could run.



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