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Subject: Re: Shredder 8 Fritz 8 (8.0.0.23) 100 game in 60 min

Author: William Penn

Date: 20:23:06 02/02/04

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On February 02, 2004 at 11:25:35, Chessfun wrote:

>On February 02, 2004 at 11:04:03, Dmitri wrote:
>
>>Final result:
>>
>>Shredder 8  65.5/100
>>Fritz 8     34.5/100
>>
>>Rating differance of +105 elo for Shredder 8.
>>
>>Conditions of the test:
>>P4 2.4Ghz, 1Gb ram, 3-4-5 tb on, learning on, books own, book learn on, 128Mb
>>hash, 60 min for the game all other param. set to default.
>>
>>Comments:
>>Shredder seems to like closed positions more the Fritz and they are very much
>>equal in open types of positions. Shredder is better at creating space and
>>opening files then Fritz. The only weakness I can spot is it when it comes to
>>the endgame phase. Fritz is a lot better in the endgame. Just try the position
>>from the last game of human vs computer in corr. chess from www.chessfriend.com.
>>Shredder does not like Qxb7 with perp check where as Fritz sees that it is the
>>only way.
>>
>>I will not post games here so not to use up space, but you can email me for
>>them.
>>
>>With regards,
>>Dmitri
>
>This Shredder 8 is indeed clearly a very strong program currently I'm running it
>at 40'40 and have the following scores after 48/150
>
>v Shredder 7.04 +3-0=1
>v Deep Fritz 8  +2-0=2
>v Fritz 8       +3-1=0
>v CM9K          +1-0=3
>v Tiger 14      +1-0=3
>v Junior 7      +2-1=1
>v Junior 8      +2-0=1
>v Crafty 1906   +1-0=2
>v Fritz 7       +2-1=0
>v Ruff 2.0      +1-0=2
>v Rebel 1201    +2-0=1
>v Deep Sjeng1.5 +1-0=2
>v Hiarcs 9      +2-0=1
>v Hiarcs Bar    +3-0=0
>
>Sarah.

Thanks to both for the good information. I haven't run any scientific tests but
have spent several hundred hours analyzing a wide variety of positions with
Shredder 8. I am noticing (subjective) what appears to be a strong horizon
effect with Shredder 8 in infinite analysis mode, which is the only way I use
it. Under those conditions the moves don't seem particularly "intelligent"
unless it is let go for several hours, a minimum of 4-5 billion nodes
(positions), then it does indeed probably find the best possible move in most
positions - except it doesn't seem very smart in endgames. I get the feeling
that humans of average strength could probably beat it easily in some endgames.
That's with an XP 2400+ computer at 2.0GHz and 1GB RAM (512MB hash), using the
native CB Shredder 8 GUI on Windows XP Home.
WP



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