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Subject: Re: ChessBrain Result

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:58:48 02/03/04

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On February 03, 2004 at 12:57:37, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On February 03, 2004 at 12:27:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 03, 2004 at 05:34:59, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>Then why are you so interested in it?  Didn't you say that after the WCCC
>>>
>>>They claim to have worlds largest chesscomputer, let them proof their point that
>>>they also managed to get to work some processors, because i will be amazed if
>>>their speedup is much above 1.0 :)
>>
>> I wouldn't be surprised or amazed at anything.  I've seen distributed chess
>>programs work just fine.  Sun Phoenix is but one.  It is doable.  Whether it is
>
>if you refer to aphid:

I refer to Sun Phoenix.  Had _nothing_ to do with aphid.


>
>a) sun phoenix was just 16 processors
>b) very clearly Jonathan stated it would not scale at algorithms which
>   are not fullwidth and he expects it to not scale above 16 cpu's
>c) it was a fullwidth program
>d) it was using a fast latency network when compared to the nps
>   latency like 50 microseconds or so, whereas chessbrain is facing
>   way worse than 200 microsecond latency problems

It was using 10mbit ethernet the last time it played in an ACM event.  That is
not "fast latency" at all.

>
>So again another proof of your poor state of analytical insight into parallel
>computer chess. The 2 things are *not* comparable.

No, but then _I_ didn't compare them.  I _knew_ what I was talking about.

Again, look up "sun phoenix".  Played on a bunch of Suns at Sun headquarters in
California.  Using 10mbit ethernet as there was nothing faster at the time.

Quit making numbers up.

as far as my "poor state of analytical insight", it has produced a program that
appears to do better than yours.  You should also watch how you toss insults, as
they often bounce back in your own lap if you can't produce something better
than something you call "bad"...



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