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Subject: Re: CM6000 Just Because it's Cheap, is Not Weak

Author: Kai Skibbe

Date: 02:00:23 12/04/98

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On December 04, 1998 at 03:02:50, Didzis Cirulis wrote:

>On December 04, 1998 at 01:53:03, Kai Skibbe wrote:
>
>>On December 03, 1998 at 23:26:30, Vicente Fernández wrote:
>>
>>>On December 03, 1998 at 19:13:41, Micheal Cummings wrote:
>>>
>>>>I get the impression that because CM6000 is very cheap to buy then people do not
>>>>consider it to be very strong.
>>>>
>>>>Well with the amount of money that the Chessmaster programs pull in, I think
>>>>that the guy who programs the kings engine would also be pulling in allot of
>>>>money, and thus would have the resources to make such a strong engine even
>>>>stronger.
>>>>
>>>>CM6000 is marketed for the mass public, and because it does not have an
>>>>autoplayer and cannot play against other programs unsupervised, that alot of
>>>>people dismiss CM6K and for that matter the versions before, because of the lack
>>>>of results against other programs.
>>>>
>>>>And I have already started to see that CM6K has been pulling in some very good
>>>>results in tournaments already, and all I hear, is "what a suprise". Anyone who
>>>>has been using Chessmaster since CM5000, knows that it is very strong.
>>>>
>>>>Well I hope CM6K does beat the other programs if anyone out there will play it
>>>>manually (too SSDF members), just to shut up people who keep making comments
>>>>that this cheap software program, which sells more than any other chess program
>>>>100 times over. Cannot be strong.
>>>>
>>>>And to Mindscape, put in a damn autoplayer so you can shut all these people up
>>>>and kick their sorry butt.
>>>
>>>I have manually played 4 games between CM6000 an fritz 5.1, 60-60, on a k62-300
>>>with 128 ram.  Chessmaster 6000 leads 3 to 1, winning both games with black.
>>>Using the thinking lines window I can see that chessmaster gets a more accurate
>>>evaluation of the positions and, most important, "sees" drawbacks and mates
>>>before Fritz 5 does.  Although the number of games played manually doesn´t count
>>>statistically, I can tell for sure that CM6000 is very, very strong, maybe the
>>>strongest... who knows?  And, I agree with Mr. Cummings: cheap is not weak, and,
>>>surely, everybody would like to see an autoplayer on the new King version.
>>
>>Do you play the games on one computer ? In this case the match is unfair for the
>>opponent of chessmaster, because cm6000 uses the processor even if you have
>>played the match with permanent brain of.
>>Conclusion : No matches with cm6000 on one computer !
>>
>>Best regards
>>Kai
>Wrong! Although you are right in regard that CM is a processor hog even with the
>permanent brain off, one can still have a fair match between any two programs if
>some testing and calculations are done before.

I think it is not wrong ! I only said that you can not play fair matches with
cm6000. Matches between Fritz5 and Rebel 10 for example are possible. Other
programs that worked are Shredder and Junior.

Or how do you configure the programs to do a fair match ?


Kai


>
>Didzis



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