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Subject: Re: Shredder 8

Author: Kurt Tank

Date: 18:03:50 02/03/04

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On February 03, 2004 at 12:11:30, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On February 03, 2004 at 11:15:56, Bigler wrote:
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>>What's going on with this engine ?
>>
>>It look so strong during the Graz tournament.
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>but in graz they had different hardware. and few games.
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>>Now I have it and have set a double round tournament with the following engines
>>:
>>Deep Junior 8
>>Shredder 7.04
>>Hiarcs 9
>>Deep Fritz 8
>>Ruffian Leiden
>>Ruffian 2
>>
>>There is only 5 games left and the Shredder 8 result is the worst, even
>>catasrophique. By the way, Deep Fritz 8 is not very good as well.
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>to me this looks right.
>My impression from shredder8 is that it is not really stronger. it is different.
>it outsearches many search based programs, but has weaknesses when the opponent
>has specific or much knowledge.
>since many knowledge programs have a lack of search depth, sometimes shredder
>can outsearch the knowledge programs too. but not that often.
>
>overall i do not see shredder beeing really superior anymore.
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>>First is Hiarcs 9 then Ruffian Leiden and far from all other engines is Shredder
>>8.
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>right. this would be my ranking too.
>first hiarcs.
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>>WHATS HAPPENING WITH SHREDDER 8 ?
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>>It seems to search more deeply than Shredder 7.04 i.e. when Shredder 7.04 is at
>>14 ply depth, Shredder 8 is at 17.
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>but it oversees things. thats the price.

But you must Test Deep Junior 8 on a dual computer vs Hiarcs 9 and you will
notice that Amir Ban's program is clearly superior



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