Author: Ulrich Tuerke
Date: 12:17:56 02/04/04
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On February 04, 2004 at 12:36:35, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 04, 2004 at 09:34:58, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: > >>On February 03, 2004 at 17:00:31, Dan Ellwein wrote: >> >>>On February 03, 2004 at 04:06:22, Stefan Knappe wrote: >>> >>>>Hi guys, >>>> >>>>at first I'd like to thank Volker and Schroer for the organization of the >>>>tournament and the comments on the games! >>>> >>>>I am suprised about the fact, that yace and crafty don't like Matadors sacrifice >>>>against Alarm. >>>> >>>>What do you and your engines think about Rxe6? Matador prefers it after 2 >>>>seconds with a score of +1. However it was interesting and successful :-) >>>> >>>>[D] 4k3/1pq2p1r/rnpbp3/p4pB1/P2P3P/1QN2PPK/1P2R3/7R w - - 0 26 >>>> >>>>Have a nice day! >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Stefan >>> >>>complicated position... >>> >>>but it does look like Rxe6 does win... >>> >>>this looks to be the best continuation... >>> >>>CM9(modified) Cel 1.7G 32M hashtable WinXP SS=12 >>> >>>1.Rxe6+ fxe6 >>>2.Qxe6+ Re7 >>>3.Qg6+ Kd8 >>>4.Qxf5 Qd7 >>>5.Qxd7+ Kxd7 >>>6.Bxe7 Bxe7 >>>7.Rd1 Nc4 >>>8.b3 Ne3 >>>9.Re1 Nf5 >>> >>>Time Depth Score Positions Moves >>>---- ---- ---- ---- ---- >>>0:00 1/3 1.83 2950 1.Rxe6+ fxe6 2.Qxe6+ Kf8 3.Bh6+ >>> Rxh6 4.Qxh6+ Kg8 5.Qg6+ Kh8 >>>0:00 1/4 2.05 7920 1.Rxe6+ fxe6 2.Qxe6+ Kf8 3.Bh6+ >>> Rxh6 4.Qxh6+ Kg8 5.Qg6+ Kh8 6.Re1 >>>0:00 1/5 2.07 23515 1.Rxe6+ fxe6 2.Qxe6+ Kf8 3.Bh6+ >>> Rxh6 4.Qxh6+ Kg8 5.Qg6+ Kh8 6.Qf6+ >>> Kg8 7.Re1 >>>0:00 1/6 2.06 93089 1.Rxe6+ fxe6 2.Qxe6+ Kf8 3.Bh6+ >>> Rxh6 4.Qxh6+ Kg8 5.Qg6+ Kh8 6.Re1 >>> Ra8 7.Qf6+ Kg8 >>>0:02 1/7 2.90 264339 1.Rxe6+ fxe6 2.Qxe6+ Kf8 3.Bh6+ >>> Rxh6 4.Qxh6+ Kg8 5.Qg6+ Kh8 6.Qf6+ >>> Kg8 7.Qxf5 Kh8 8.Qg6 >>>0:04 1/8 3.03 573572 1.Rxe6+ fxe6 2.Qxe6+ Kf8 3.Bh6+ >>> Rxh6 4.Qxh6+ Kg8 5.Qg6+ Kh8 6.Qf6+ >>> Kg8 7.Qxf5 Ra8 8.Qg6+ Kh8 9.Kg2 >> >> >>So, there is an engine realizing after 4 secs that Rxe6 really is winning. >>Others (as mine) seems to select it for some "static bonus collection" reasons. >> >>Looks like The King has some quite special tctical extensions, which others >>don't have. >> >>Uli > >I do not beliebve that chessmaster can see that Rxe6 is winning > >The big score is probably based on one of the possible weak personalities for >chessmaster that overevaluates passed pawns. > >If I follow the main line I cannot see a winning score for white even many moves >after the root position with Yace Padderborn > >Even some minutes after the first 13 plies of the main line of chessmaster > >Yace says that black is better > >1. Rxe6+ fxe6 2. Qxe6+ Re7 3. Qg6+ Kd8 4. Qxf5 Qd7 5. Qxd7+ Kxd7 6. Bxe7 Bxe7 >7. Rd1 * > > >New game >8/1p1kb3/rnp5/p7/P2P3P/2N2PPK/1P6/3R4 b - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Yace Paderborn: > >7...Nxa4 8.Nxa4 > +- (2.55) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >7...Bxh4 8.Kxh4 > +- (2.51) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >7...Bb4 > = (-0.05) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >7...Bd6 > = (-0.18) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >7...Nc4 > = (-0.20) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >7...Nc4 > = (-0.20) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >7...Nc4 8.b3 > = (-0.13) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >7...Nc4 8.b3 > = (-0.13) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >7...Nc4 8.b3 Ne3 > = (-0.23) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >7...Bb4 8.Ra1 Bd6 > = (-0.24) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >7...Bb4 8.Ra1 Bd6 > = (-0.24) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >7...Bb4 8.Ra1 Bd6 > = (-0.24) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >7...Bb4 8.Rb1 Ra7 9.Ra1 > = (-0.11) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >7...Bb4 8.Rb1 Ra7 9.Ra1 > = (-0.11) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >7...Bb4 8.Rb1 Ra7 9.Ra1 Bd6 > = (-0.24) Depth: 5 00:00:00 >7...Bb4 8.Rb1 Ra7 9.Ra1 Bd6 > = (-0.24) Depth: 5 00:00:00 >7...Bb4 8.Ra1 Ra8 9.Ne4 Rh8 10.Kg2 > = (-0.22) Depth: 6/11 00:00:00 14kN >7...Bb4 8.Ra1 Ra8 9.Ne4 Rh8 10.Kg2 > = (-0.22) Depth: 6/14 00:00:00 20kN >7...Bb4 8.Ra1 Ra8 9.Ne4 Nc4 10.Nc5+ Bxc5 11.dxc5 > = (-0.18) Depth: 7/14 00:00:00 31kN >7...Bb4 8.Ra1 Ra8 9.Ne4 Nc4 10.Nc5+ Bxc5 11.dxc5 > = (-0.18) Depth: 7/15 00:00:01 50kN >7...Bb4 8.Rb1 Ra7 9.Ra1 Nc4 10.Nd1 Bd2 11.Kg2 > ³ (-0.28) Depth: 8/15 00:00:01 120kN >7...Bb4 8.Rb1 Ra7 9.Ra1 Nc4 10.Nd1 Bd2 11.Kg2 > ³ (-0.28) Depth: 8/19 00:00:01 146kN >7...Bb4 8.Rb1 Ra8 9.h5 Rh8 10.Kg4 Rg8+ 11.Kh3 > ³ (-0.32) Depth: 9/19 00:00:01 343kN >7...Bb4 8.Rb1 Ra8 9.h5 Rh8 10.Kg4 Rg8+ 11.Kh3 > ³ (-0.32) Depth: 9/23 00:00:01 405kN >7...Bb4 8.Ra1 Nc4 9.Rb1 Nxb2 10.Rxb2 Bxc3 11.Rxb7+ Ke6 12.g4 Bxd4 13.h5 > ³ (-0.28) Depth: 10/23 00:00:03 1184kN >7...Bb4 8.Ra1 Nc4 9.Rb1 Nxb2 10.Rxb2 Bxc3 11.Rxb7+ Ke6 12.g4 Bxd4 13.h5 > ³ (-0.28) Depth: 10/25 00:00:04 1456kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Nb6 11.g4 Ra2 12.Rg2 Nc4 13.b3 Rxg2 > ³ (-0.33) Depth: 11/25 00:00:08 2842kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Nb6 11.g4 Ra2 12.Rg2 Nc4 13.b3 Rxg2 > ³ (-0.33) Depth: 11/25 00:00:09 3189kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Nb6 11.h5 Nd5 12.Rf2 Ra1 13.h6 Rh1+ 14.Rh2 > = (-0.24) Depth: 12/26 00:00:13 4504kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Nb6 11.h5 Nd5 12.Rf2 Ra1 13.h6 Rh1+ 14.Rh2 > = (-0.24) Depth: 12/29 00:00:17 5968kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Nb6 11.h5 Nc4 12.Rc2 Ne3 13.Re2 Nf5 14.Re4 > ³ (-0.33) Depth: 13/31 00:00:33 11676kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Nb6 11.h5 Nc4 12.Rc2 Ne3 13.Re2 Nf5 14.Re4 > ³ (-0.33) Depth: 13/31 00:00:41 14332kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Ra5 11.Kg4 Nb6 12.Kf4 Nd5+ 13.Kf5 Nc3+ >14.Kf4 Ra2 15.h5 > ³ (-0.46) Depth: 14/36 00:01:35 34065kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Ra5 11.Kg4 Nb6 12.Kf4 Nd5+ 13.Kf5 Nc3+ >14.Kf4 Ra2 15.h5 > ³ (-0.46) Depth: 14/36 00:01:45 37558kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Ke6 11.h5 Kd5 12.g4 Kc4 13.h6 c5 14.g5 >cxd4 15.b3+ Kxb3 > = (-0.21) Depth: 15/36 00:02:28 53387kN >7...Bb4 8.Na2 Nxa4 9.Nxb4 axb4 10.Rd2 Ke6 11.h5 Kd5 12.g4 Kc4 13.h6 c5 14.g5 >cxd4 15.b3+ Kxb3 > = (-0.21) Depth: 15/36 00:04:12 89899kN > >(Blass, Tel-Aviv 04.02.2004) > >Uri Thanks for your interesting analysis, Uri. Good to know that Johan is also using only water for boiling (some German saying; I hope you know what I mean). Uli
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