Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 12:25:03 02/04/04
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On February 04, 2004 at 13:33:49, Chessfun wrote: >On February 04, 2004 at 01:19:33, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On February 03, 2004 at 18:06:48, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On February 03, 2004 at 17:48:41, eric guttenberg wrote: >>> >>>>No, I don't think Mr.Walker was talking about something else. I think he >>>>was responding to your larger point, that Shredder 8 is not a very >>>>strong engine, not just your point that S8 handled this specific >>>>position poorly. >>>> >>>>eric >> >>Hi Sara, >>> >>>Just on the subject of Shredder 8's strength thus far I have it at +35-4=23 >>>62/140 against 14 other top programs at 40'/40+40'/40+40'. I would expect it'll >>>overtake Deep Fritz 8 on my rating lists by at least 50 rating points maybe more >>>it if keeps up this pace. From the games I've watched this engine is far >>>superior than anything I've seen. >>> >>>Sarah. >> >>Thank you. >>I think you are confirming my statements that the new version is about 50 points >>stronger than 7.04. >> >>Ciao >>Sandro Hi, > >Actually I think you maybe understating the increase. Well, it may is more than 50 points, but I prefer to stay lower as I do not have to see things in an optimistic way just because I am part of the Shredder team. I also believe with more games it should decrease a little in your table... Well, we MUST make it more stronger now...we cannot stop... > >After Shredder 8 lost it's 5 game to Crafty which was the last game it lost. I >decided to add the database of those games to my current rating list just to see >how high this was heading. Currently I also had 10 games v Ruffian Leiden. > >I get the following which shows an increase of 140 over Shredder 7. Well, 7.04 at longer time controls is stronger than 7.0 Well, I guess this time too Uri will not criticize my "rating expectations"!:-) And other people who made "sospicious" comments too...(I am not referring to you) I am amaze to see how much you love computer chess! >There are >still some 76 games to play and it's hard to believe it can keep this pace up. >However again great job congratulations to Stefan and yourself and the best of >luck in Paderborn. Thank you! Ciao Sandro > > Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws > > 1 Shredder 8 : 2767 61 68 74 72.3 % 2600 39.2 % > 2 Deep Fritz 8 : 2683 46 41 165 60.6 % 2609 37.6 % > 3 Hiarcs 9 : 2642 47 38 184 56.0 % 2601 35.9 % > 4 Fritz 8 : 2635 29 23 455 56.0 % 2592 38.2 % > 5 Deep Fritz 7 : 2634 32 26 374 56.3 % 2590 36.6 % > 6 Hiarcs8 Bareev : 2632 96 124 34 48.5 % 2642 26.5 % > 7 Deep Junior 8 : 2632 43 39 210 57.1 % 2582 28.6 % > 8 Shredder 7 : 2630 37 31 290 55.3 % 2593 32.8 % > 9 Tiger 15 normal : 2630 33 24 377 54.9 % 2596 42.4 % > 10 Tiger 15 gambit : 2628 48 44 163 58.0 % 2572 31.3 % > 11 Junior 8 : 2627 46 36 195 54.9 % 2593 36.9 % > 12 Shredder 7.04 : 2616 37 29 315 54.0 % 2588 34.3 % > >(1) Shredder 8 : 74 (+ 39,= 29,- 6), 72.3 % > >Chess Tiger 14.0 : 5 (+ 2,= 3,- 0), 70.0 % >Junior 7 : 5 (+ 2,= 2,- 1), 60.0 % >Fritz 7 : 4 (+ 2,= 1,- 1), 62.5 % >Chessmaster 9000 : 5 (+ 2,= 3,- 0), 70.0 % >Fritz 8 : 5 (+ 4,= 0,- 1), 80.0 % >Shredder 7.04 : 5 (+ 4,= 1,- 0), 90.0 % >Junior 8 : 5 (+ 2,= 3,- 0), 70.0 % >Hiarcs 9 : 4 (+ 3,= 1,- 0), 87.5 % >Deep Sjeng 1.5 : 4 (+ 2,= 2,- 0), 75.0 % >Ruffian 2.0.0 : 4 (+ 2,= 2,- 0), 75.0 % >Crafty 19.06 : 5 (+ 2,= 2,- 1), 60.0 % >Deep Fritz 8 : 5 (+ 2,= 2,- 1), 60.0 % >Hiarcs8 Bareev : 4 (+ 4,= 0,- 0), 100.0 % >Rebel 12.00.01 : 4 (+ 2,= 2,- 0), 75.0 % >Ruffian Leiden2003 : 10 (+ 4,= 5,- 1), 65.0 % > >Sarah.
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