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Subject: shredder marks has no problem

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 18:45:09 02/08/04

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On February 08, 2004 at 18:12:42, Aaron Gordon wrote:

>On February 08, 2004 at 17:21:57, Ingo Bauer wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>>
>>>Shredder8Mark:
>>>
>>>Athlon XP 2.5GHz / 218fsb(436DDR):
>>>64mb hash : 504kn/s  -  3712 Shredder8Mark
>>>409mb hash: 334kn/s  -  2227 Shredder8Mark
>>>
>>>Athlon XP 2.5GHz / 200fsb(400DDR):
>>>64mb hash : 503kn/s  -  3712 Shredder8Mark
>>>409mb hash: 309kn/s  -  2227 Shredder8Mark
>>>
>>>Athlon XP 2.5GHz / 166fsb(333DDR):
>>>64mb hash : 476kn/s  -  3712 Shredder8Mark
>>>409mb hash: 263kn/s  -  1856 Shredder8Mark
>>>
>>>I'm impressed.. going from 166 to 218 resulted in a 27% increase in kn/s. Way
>>>back in the day when I tested Crafty it showed no increase in kn/s from changes
>>>in bus speeds (latency or memory bandwidth). Interesting... Looks like my next
>>>system will be a freon cooled Athlon FX running over 3GHz and 300fsb
>>
>>Dont trust this Shreddermark!
>>
>>Check the same thing with a Fritzmark and/or Crafty. Somethings wrong weith that
>>Shreddermark.
>>
>>Ingo
>
>I suspected the same.. so.. I did a few tests. The test was done using infinite
>analysis from the start position. The ply next to the name of the engine is
>where I took the total node count and divided it by the time to ply.
>Here are the results:
>
>Athlon XP 2.5GHz and 384mb hash for all engines:
>
>Shredder 8 @ 18 ply:
>218fsb: 409kn/s
>166fsb: 409kn/s
>
>X3D Fritz @ 15 ply:
>218fsb: 1116.9kn/s
>166fsb: 1116.9kn/s
>
>Hiarcs 9 @ 13 ply:
>218fsb: 275.35kn/s
>166fsb: 269.23kn/s
>
>Junior 8 @ 17 ply:
>218fsb: 1999.54kn/s
>166fsb: 1987.98kn/s
>
>Deep Fritz 7 @ 15 ply:
>218fsb: 1144.69kn/s
>166fsb: 1129.83kn/s
>
>As you can see a higher fsb (and lower latency) did next to nothing.
>ShredderMark definitely has some problems.

Not at all. Shreddermark has NO problems.

Shredder like DIEP just uses your RAM more efficient than Fritz&co, however
unlike DIEP, shredder is doing it at a way higher nps than DIEP.

That means that the number of random accesses to the RAM is really a lot bigger
than it is for Fritz&co.

I fully understand this from Shredder and i fear the day already that processors
get a lot faster without having a L3 cache of say 64MB :)



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