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Subject: Re: Why AMD just don`t blow Intel...

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 14:52:01 02/09/04

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On February 09, 2004 at 17:47:08, Andrew Williams wrote:

>On February 09, 2004 at 17:33:56, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>
>>On February 09, 2004 at 15:28:21, Frank Phillips wrote:
>>
>>>On February 09, 2004 at 14:23:55, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote:
>>>
>>>>... by releasing their processors at the same speed in GHz ?
>>>>
>>>>As a consumer I can`t understand that. It seems to me that AMD`s problem is the
>>>>heat issue... so the important thing to do when buying an AMD processor is to
>>>>liquid-cool it or get some sort of special (refrigerated) case to build the
>>>>system, if you want to push it to the limit by overclocking ?
>>>
>>>Are you sure an AMD cpu produces more heat than Intel, at the same performance
>>>rating?
>>
>>Athlon 64 3400+ is faster than the Pentium 4 3.4GHz E (New Prescott CPU) and
>>runs MUCH cooler. The Athlon 64 3400+ is 89 watts compared to the P4-3.4E's 127
>>watts. The P4 is slower and dumps over 40% more heat. Way to go Intel. :) If you
>>think about it.. MHz for MHz the P3 is faster and cooler than the P4.. and
>>Intels new "revised" P4 is slower and hotter than the old P4. Seems like they
>>keep taking steps backwards. By 2006 I predict Intel will end up with 386
>>processors again but running 15GHz and will need liquid nitrogen cooling. :)
>>
>>Almost forgot to mention.. when you're not using your CPU or doing something not
>>so cpu intensive the Athlon 64 (if the option is enabled) will clock your CPU
>>down in steps (you won't notice the speed decrease). This allows the processor
>>to go down to about 35 watts from 89. I'd love this option on my cpu.. I
>>personally don't like dumping tons of heat into the air when I'm typing up stuff
>>on the CCC, checking email, listening to mp3s, etc.
>>
>
>While this is certainly a useful feature, I nearly had a heart-attack when, five
>minutes before the start of CCT6, I did this:
>
>andrew/chess> cat /proc/cpuinfo
>processor       : 0
>vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
>cpu family      : 15
>model           : 4
>model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
>stepping        : 8
>cpu MHz         : 800         ?????????????????????????????
>cache size      : 1024 KB
>fdiv_bug        : no
>hlt_bug         : no
>f00f_bug        : no
>coma_bug        : no
>fpu             : yes
>fpu_exception   : yes
>cpuid level     : 1
>wp              : yes
>flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov
>pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow
>bogomips        : 1593
>
>
>Of course, as soon as PM starts thinking, the 800 goes up to 2000!
>
>Andrew

Heheh.. Yeah, if you don't know about the feature I'm sure it'll give you a bit
of a surprise. As you said though.. soon as the CPU has to do something
stressing it goes back up to full speed immediately. I like it though. Don't
need to waste electricity & run a cpu hotter than it needs to be when you're not
doing anything with it.



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