Author: Micheal Cummings
Date: 06:27:32 12/05/98
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On December 05, 1998 at 09:14:26, Fernando Villegas wrote: >On December 04, 1998 at 14:25:43, Reynolds Takata wrote: > >>On December 04, 1998 at 10:12:03, Fernando Villegas wrote: >> >>>Incredible how long discussion are produced because a lack of previous >>>definitions of terms, as usual. A very long thread begun about if CM6000 should >>>or should not be considered as a serious program just because nobody bothered to >>>say that serious programs does not coincide with just strong programs. Strenght >>>is now a comodity. You can get strong program even in freeware sections. Do I >>>exagerate if i say most of them defeat most of us anyway? So the point is how >>>good and workable the database is. It's good to learn openings? Makes things >>>easier to grasp your weaknesses? Ches programas are now strong in the same sense >>>as all motorcars have wheels. The issue is: what about the rest and the rest >>>here is the surroundings, even the GUI. I dare to say that once database >>>facilities reach a point of strenght as engines has, GUi will be the next >>>decisive point to evaluate. >>>fernando >> >> >> I'm quite sorry you are incorrect( at least your heading). The thing is that >>Chessmaster does not have all of the features of fritz, in fact no one has the >>features of fritz/J5. However strong players like to have the ability to play >>against varied styles of opponents, and to be able to get oppinions by various >>different programs, thus indeed CM can have a role in strong players/pro arsenal >>of training tools. Especially because CM isn't just a strong player as you want >>to claim, but indeed it's in the top 5, plus it's style is fairly unique. If >>you want to claim that it's Gui isn't clear well that's opinion I like the way i >>have set up it's GUI second only to fritz/J5, and i have every program in the >>ssdf top 10. Further though it is yet to be seen, if a program came out and was >>clearly stronger than the rest of the programs, i don't care if it had >>absolutely zero features, except playing. It would have a role. This is not >>saying the CM is the strongest program, though it very well could be, there is >>in fact a strong arguement to be made for it, it is probably the winner of KKII, >>it's won almost all of the 40/2 tournaments on the shep testing page, the (king >>3.0)also recently just won a very strong tournament this week. Further there is >>a pretty solid stream of Chessmaster victories being posted here. >> >>Reynolds Takata >>USCF Life Master >>Fide Master >>25 years of chess experience >>Owner of all Programs in the SSDF top 10(excepting Gandalf 3) :) > > >Dear Reybnolds: >In fact my post is not headed to discuss if CM600 is or it is not this or >that. Personally I think it is one of the three strongest programs and I like >its GUI. My point is less about CM than about how to define the field of >professional software. I propose to define it like the software capable of >giving to the most demanding GM player all what he needs to prepare for a >tournament. If that definition is correct, maybe juts one program or two could >be considered as such. Probably we need an alternative dcefinition for non >professional programs as much there is a great lag between CM6 or Junior and a >progranm like, let us say, Battle chess. This last clearly is mass market, but >then what is CM6k? Non professional but also non mass market. A third definition >is needed. What abourt serious player class' >fernando Why serious, if the top five or six programs on SSDF are considered Grandmaster class, then why not classify it as just that. I mean it is Grandmaster strength is it not. Who is to say that a GM would not use CM6K to prepare to matches. I read that alot of GM use chessbase and other database programs. Plus software like Fritz and Rebel to prepare. So why not chessmaster. I doubt that a GM would stick to just one software program. I think alot of what people write is just bias towards one program or the other. I know I started out saying CM6K was crap, I was a Rebel 9 and 10 man. I still am but I am now on CM6K side as well now, after setting up to the way I like and playing it.
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