Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 07:30:31 02/10/04
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On February 10, 2004 at 09:16:25, Bigler wrote: >On February 10, 2004 at 07:51:34, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On February 10, 2004 at 06:30:09, Kim Roper Jensen wrote: >> >>>On February 09, 2004 at 14:21:32, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On February 09, 2004 at 05:20:48, Bigler wrote: >>>> >>>>>Dear all, >>>>> >>>>>Could you please help me by analysing EXHAUSTIVELY this position and find the >>>>>best way for black to play. (not just say i.e. Shredder 8 says +0.6 for white >>>>>after 17…Rb8) >>>>> >>>>>POSITION: >>>>>1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 >>>>>9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 Bg7 11.Bd3 Ne7 12.Nxe7 Qxe7 13.0-0 0-0 14.c4 f5 15.Qf3 Qb7 > >I nevertheless still have a question in this line. If 15...Qb7 is not good for >black. there is an issue in for black in this line as 15...bxc4 is lost and >15...Re8 is also lost. The only remaining line is 15...f4 > >If you think that either 15...bxc4 or Re8 are not lost would you agree that we >play it. > >Let me know !! You know my judgement 15.Qf3 +- So basically it doesn't matter what you try to find at move 15 or 16 or 17. It's IMHO 1-0 when white doesn't make serious mistakes. You can try and fiddle and try, but if something is lost, it is a lost position then. Which by the way is not always so easy to proof at a 40 in 2 game. However compare it to for example benko gambit which i play myself sometimes too. No hair at my body doubts that this is a lost opening for black, yet the tactical complications are so big for white that there is many opponents i do not fear trying it against. In fact i see several IMs lose it with white. In this Sveshnikov line this is not the case however. White has after some hard work the past 14 years from many players, found the way to win these lines in convincing ways. So i wish you good luck but advice you to look to lines that are more interesting. You should really look to what Kramnik plays with black against strong human opponents. That's in general giving white at most a very slight advantage, if there is any advantage at all. >Best regards >>>>>16.exf5 Qxf3 17.gxf3... and now ???? >>>> >>>>My judgement after playing this line for years is: >>>> >>>>15. Qf3 +- >>>> >>>>Oh by the way, many GM's agree here with me. Please read for example GM Jacob >>>>Aagaards' book : "easy guide to the sveshnikov sicilian". >>> >>>Well Jacon is only an IM, although he got a norm in the rilton cup(where he >>>played a nice french from the whites side against stellan brynell) i know this >>>because i have known Jacob for some years ( 10+ ) >> >>I didn't check FIDE list. He sure wrote a book above IM level! >> >>>> >>>>The few 'unclear' lines you can find easily improvements to +- not seldom ++--. >>>> >>>>Just like certain mainlines French this is another mainline that's completely >>>>refuted. >>>> >>>>>on >>>>>17...... Rb8 18.Be4 +/- >>>>> >>>>>17….. bxc4 18.Be4 d5 19.Bxd5 Rb8 20.Nxc4 +/- >>>>> >>>>>When looking at the position after 17.gxf3 it seems difficult to believe that >>>>>black is unable to equalise. >>>>> >>>>>Many thanks in advance for your help ! >>>>> >>>>>Best regards
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