Author: Keith Evans
Date: 21:37:25 02/11/04
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On February 11, 2004 at 15:36:47, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On February 10, 2004 at 12:32:14, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On February 10, 2004 at 12:24:54, Keith Evans wrote: >> >>>On February 10, 2004 at 12:07:03, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On February 10, 2004 at 11:35:27, Slater Wold wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 10, 2004 at 11:22:00, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 10, 2004 at 10:15:03, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 10, 2004 at 05:50:09, Daniel Clausen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On February 09, 2004 at 18:49:45, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>And got it! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I recieved my system today, late, and am currently putting it all together. >>>>>>>>>I'll have some benches & what-not tomorrow. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The system: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>AMD FX51 >>>>>>>>>Gigabyte GA-K8NNXP-940 >>>>>>>>>1GB Corsair TwinX DDRAM (Registered) >>>>>>>>>GeForce FX 5900 Ultra >>>>>>>>>(5) 18GB U320 SCSI HDs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Windows 2000 Pro >>>>>>>>>*&* >>>>>>>>>Windows 2003 Advanced Server for 64-bit Extended Systems >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Should be a lot of fun, for a few months. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Did you get the needed earmuffs too in the package or does one have to order >>>>>>>>them separately? ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I see that these comps are nice to have when it comes to comp chess, but I hope >>>>>>>>the market for silent PCs grows a bit in the future. Sorry for my rambling. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sargon (powered with a 5W (max) VIA CPU :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>With the stock CPU cooler, it is quieter than my Dell P4. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Remember, these CPUs are at 1.5v. They run VERY cool. >>>>>> >>>>>>But 5 SCSI hard disks are enough to simulate an earthquake. >>>>>> >>>>>>anthony >>>>> >>>>>LOL - Try _7_ case fans (2 for the HDs, 2 exhaust, 1 on top, and 2 on the side), >>>>>plus a 115CFM CPU cooler, plus a PS with 2 fans. Oh yea, and the motherboard >>>>>has a fan (nVidia chipset), and the VRM has a fan too! >>>>> >>>>>And it's still not as loud as my Dual PIII 1.0Ghz, with 2 Delta 7,200RPM CPU >>>>>fans... >>>> >>>> >>>>I think sound is overrated. My dual xeon has three cpu fans, two hard drive bay >>>>fans, two power supply fans, and it is not objectionable. It also has 5 X 36 >>>>gig 15K U320 SCSI disks, and 3 X 146 10K U320 disks. The drives are _not_ that >>>>noisy. They are stuck deep into the chassis in a hot-swap 8-way drive bay and I >>>>don't notice them. The machine is not whisper-quiet with all the fans, but the >>>>disk drives do not produce any vibration or excessive noise on their own... >>>> >>>>At least not these (Seagate Cheetahs) in either 10K or 15K types.. >>> >>>Dell PowerEdge 2650's (rackmount dual Xeon) are as loud as a cheap vacuum >>>cleaner. I can't stand to have them anywhere but in a distant server room. I >>>have a decibel meter at home so I could take measurements of them versus my >>>vacuum cleaner if you want proof ;-) >>> >>>When I had a Sun Ultra5 pizzabox I used to keep it off and just use it as a >>>monitor stand because it was too noisy. (That's about all those are good for >>>anyways.) > >I missed that part and it is pretty funny. I don't mind a machine being noisy >if it is _fast_. A ultra5, on the other hand is _not_ fast by any definition >there is, so if his was noisy and slow, I'd have tossed it long ago. > >We have some ultra-5's here and ours are not noisy at all, however... But I >don't use them, I prefer my abacus as it is faster. The VP of Engineering at a startup had ordered some Ultra-5's for ASIC development before I arrived and told him that Ultra-5's are basically useless for that. Now this was 5 years ago on a behind-the-times 0.35u Super-IO ASIC development, but even under those conditions it was true. They did come with some nice monitors though ;-) Notice that Sun had some full page adds today announcing their Opteron systems which run Linux or Solaris. Maybe there is hope for them after all. It took Andy for them to take this seriously - the cobalt stuff was languishing at Sun for years. You and I have different tolerances for noise. IMHO the best interface to Unix is a quiet Mac running OS X, or a quiet PC running Win2k/XP + Exceed. Leave the big iron in a chilly locked server room with a fast network connection to your office and a bunch of xterms open. Why would you want it in your office? I do everything remotely and the servers are quite stable in their environment. Also it's easier to rig up serious UPS equipment in a server room. A musician friend of mine puts his computers down in a cold but dry basement and runs cables through the floor - so I'm not the only one who can't stand 'em. Don't even bring up what I think of people who locate thermal chambers near office space - the pain, the pain. And then the cheap flourescent lights - where's my tinfoil hat? ASIC guys have a long tradition of living in cave-like conditions and I salute my predecessors.
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