Author: Bigler
Date: 23:34:47 02/11/04
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On February 11, 2004 at 19:08:11, Chessfun wrote: >On February 11, 2004 at 18:15:41, John Merlino wrote: > >>On February 11, 2004 at 17:13:16, Bouddha wrote: >> >>>Dear all, >>> >>>What is black best move here ? >>> >>>1.e4 c5 2.Cf3 Cc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Cxd4 Cf6 5.Cc3 e5 6.Cdb5 d6 7.Fg5 a6 8.Ca3 b5 >>>9.Fxf6 gxf6 10.Cd5 Fg7 11.Fd3 Ce7 12.Cxe7 Dxe7 13.0–0 0–0 14.c4 f5 15.Df3 d5 >>>16.cxd5 fxe4 17.Fxe4 Tb8 18.Tfd1 Line >>> >>>[D]1rb2rk1/4qpbp/p7/1p1Pp3/4B3/N4Q2/PP3PPP/R2R2K1 b - - 0 18 >>> >>>If there is no solution in this line, I think that 10...Bg7 is lost. >>> >>>I would like to find someone to say me that it can defend black position after >>>10...Bg7 and try to play it against me. >>>Is someone interested ? >>> >>>Best regards to all. >> >>Assuming you play 11.Bd3, 11...Ne7 doesn't look bad if all you're trying for is >>a draw. Kramnik and Topolov have played this move to a draw against very strong >>GMs (Anand, Svidler and Shirov). Also, it's the main line, so I would be >>surprised if it is actually "lost". >> >>[D]r1bqk2r/4npbp/p2p1p2/1p1Np3/4P3/N2B4/PPP2PPP/R2QK2R w KQkq - 0 12 >> >>Now, true, very few GMs LOSE from this position as White. The highest-ranked one >>that I can find was ranked 2590. But I would definitely say that Black has >>excellent drawing chances. > > >Nigel Short lost against Kramnik with 11. c3. But I assume you're talking about >the position after 11. Bd3 Ne7 then Shirov lost twice in this line rating 2718, >both in simuls ;-) > >Also Tiviakov lost rating 2608, currently 2600. > >All games below. > >Shirov,A (2718) - Ribera Baztan,J (2136) [B33] >Andorra sim Andorra, 2001 > >1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 >9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 Bg7 11.Bd3 Ne7 12.Nxe7 Qxe7 13.c4 f5 14.0-0 0-0 15.Re1 Bb7 >16.Qh5 fxe4 17.Bxe4 Bxe4 18.Rxe4 f5 19.Rh4 Bf6 20.Rh3 e4 21.Qxf5 Bxb2 22.Qd5+ >Qf7 23.Rg3+ Kh8 24.Qxf7 Rxf7 25.Rd1 Raf8 26.Rd2 Rxf2 27.Rxf2 Bd4 0-1 > >Shirov,A (2718) - Gullaksen,E (2333) [B33] >Bergen sim Bergen (1), 10.02.2001 > >1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 >9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 Bg7 11.Bd3 Ne7 12.Nxe7 Qxe7 13.c4 f5 14.0-0 0-0 15.Qf3 Qb7 >16.cxb5 d5 17.exf5 e4 18.Qf4 Qe7 19.Be2 Bxb2 20.Nc2 Be5 21.Qg4+ Kh8 22.Rad1 Rg8 >23.Qh3 axb5 24.a3 Qc5 25.Nb4 Bb7 26.Rc1 Qb6 27.Qb3 d4 28.Qxf7 d3 29.Bh5 e3 >30.Nd5 Bxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Qd6+ 32.g3 Bxd5 33.Qc7 Qxc7 34.Rxc7 e2 35.Rb1 Rxa3 36.f6 >Rf8 37.Re7 Bc4 38.f7 Ra2 0-1 > >Tiviakov,S (2608) - Agopov,M (2399) [B33] >Bergen op Bergen (5), 25.07.2000 > >1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 >9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 Bg7 11.Bd3 Ne7 12.Nxe7 Qxe7 13.0-0 0-0 14.c4 f5 15.Qe2 Bb7 >16.Rad1 Rad8 17.cxb5 axb5 18.Nxb5 fxe4 19.Bxe4 d5 20.Bf5 Qg5 21.Qf3 h6 22.Bh3 >Qe7 23.Rfe1 d4 24.Qb3 e4 25.Bf5 Qe5 26.Nxd4 Ba8 27.Ne6 fxe6 28.Qxe6+ Qxe6 >29.Bxe6+ Kh8 30.Rxd8 Rxd8 31.b3 Rd2 32.Kf1 Rxa2 33.Rd1 Ra1 34.Rxa1 Bxa1 35.Ke2 >Kg7 36.f3 Kf6 37.Bh3 exf3+ 38.gxf3 Be5 39.f4 Bxf4 40.Kf2 Bd5 41.Bg2 Bxb3 42.Kg1 >Ke5 43.Bf3 Kd4 44.Kg2 Ke3 45.Bc6 Be6 46.Bb7 Be5 47.Bc6 Bb8 48.Bb7 Bc7 49.Bc6 Bd6 >50.Bb7 h5 51.Bf3 Bf7 52.Bc6 Be6 53.Bf3 h4 54.h3 Kd2 55.Bg4 Bd5+ 56.Bf3 Bc4 >57.Kf2 Bg3+ 58.Kg1 Ke1 59.Bg4 Bc7 60.Bf5 Bb6+ 61.Kg2 Bd5+ 62.Kh2 Kf2 63.Be4 Bc7+ >0-1 > >Sarah. What sime to forget is that I am trying to analyse this game in a correspondance way. OK I am not playing it in a correspondance. But at this level of play the analysis are more deep than i.e. Anand in a tournament. 15...Qb7 is lost due to exf5 Qxf3 gxf3 and if Rb8 then Be4 and it is +/-
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