Author: Roy Eassa
Date: 09:03:15 02/13/04
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On February 13, 2004 at 10:02:34, Janosch Zwerensky wrote:
>On February 12, 2004 at 15:23:03, William H Rogers wrote:
>
>>There are some pretty strong GO programs already outthere.
>
>GnuGo is said to be not much weaker than the top commercials (the strongest of
>which is Go++), but a weakly 4-kyu amateur like myself can give it a seven-stone
>handicap and be confident of victory. If I don't try to play the weaknesses of
>the program at all but treat it just as I would treat a human, then the
>difference might shrink to four or five stones, but at any rate, beating a
>"master" is lightyears off given the current state of the art.
Janosch, thanks! It's great to have somebody here in a computer chess discussion
who's also so strong at Go.
When I started playing Go (after Christmas), I was told that my decades of chess
experience would work to my detriment. But I don't think that was the case.
(It took me 2 weeks of reading and playing to reach the same strength as a smart
friend who'd been reading and playing for over a year.) For me, concepts and
tradeoffs of blunders, tactics, strategy, studying, memorizing patterns,
budgeting time, and looking ahead ("reading") vs. playing by feel, all carried
over in one form or another (directly or by analogy).
What do you think?
>
>
>> (...) Somehow they rate players using a
>>'stone' method which I really don't understand but the programs are more than
>>half-way up the stone ladder.
>
>They are weaker than the average club player, and by a mile so.
What do you forsee for the 5- and 20-year timeframes? Will vastly faster CPUs
make a big difference if the current algorithms continue to be used? Might a
completely different approach (I have one idea on the back burner) provide a
real breakthrough? What do you think is really going on inside the mind of a
9-dan pro?
>
>Regards,
>Janosch
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