Author: Peter McKenzie
Date: 16:33:07 02/13/04
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On February 13, 2004 at 11:48:05, Roy Eassa wrote: >On February 13, 2004 at 11:21:51, Alberto Rezza wrote: > >>>How many players in the world are at least good level amateurs in go? >> >>It depends. If "good level amateur" is something like 1-dan (on the european >>rating) then there must be at least one million players in the world who are >>this strong or stronger. >> >>However, go and chess are too different, and it's very difficult to compare >>their rankings. I think some people have tried to get equivalent ramkings by >>comparing the probabilities of winning for a given rank difference in the two >>games, but the results are not very meaningful: it turns out that there are, >>from beginner to world champion, many more "steps" or levels to progress in go >>than in chess; so if you fix an equivalence like, for instance, 100 Elo points >>for every go stone, you get a much lower probability to win with a "one level" >>advantage in go than in chess. >> >>Another approach is to compare population sizes: there are many more chess >>players than go players - the go players are only about 30 million, mostly in >>China, Korea and Japan. From a much bigger pool you should also get better top >>players, so the chess GM's should really be compared to the very top go masters, >>the 9-dan professionals. This might put a 1-dan pro at about 2350 Elo, and a >>1-dan amateur near 1700 Elo. >> >>The problem is that this is not consistent with the "feeling" reported by people >>who are strong in both games: for example, a friend of mine who was about 2000 >>Elo in chess, and also a 1-kyu (euro) amateur go player, told me he believed he >>was definitely stronger in go than in chess. >> >>Personally, I think 2000 Elo in chess would be slightly better than 1-kyu in go, >>but then again I am not a chess player... (beginner at chess, 1-dan in go). >> >>Alberto > > >Awhile back I started using this rule of thumb: take your AMATEUR (does not work >for pro) kyu ranking in Go, multiply by 33 1/3, and subtract that from 1800 >(perhaps it should be 1900?), and you'll get an approxmiate equivalent of a USCF >rating. Sounds pretty good to me. > >It's far from perfect, but in general it works better for me than not having any >approxmiate formula to use.
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