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Subject: Re: Hydra???

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:28:00 02/14/04

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On February 14, 2004 at 04:45:12, Ricardo Gibert wrote:

>On February 13, 2004 at 15:56:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 13, 2004 at 15:54:18, Mike S. wrote:
>>
>>>On February 13, 2004 at 15:26:23, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>You can safely assume that those ratings are totally meaningless, if you are
>>>>thinking within the context of human FIDE ratings...
>>>
>>>Within the context of human FIDE ratings, a previous version of Hydra, aka
>>>Brutus, has achieved a tournament performance of 2765 :-)
>>
>>Tournament performance != Fide rating, unfortunately..  Otherwise Kasparov might
>>have hit 3200 more than once.
>
>You're exaggerating. That would mean that the average rating of his opponents
>was about 2800 and he would have to win every single game. This has never been
>possible.

Did you see the key words "might have hit"???

There have been multiple 3000+ tprs.  Given the rating inflation of today, it
won't be long before there is a 3200+ tpr.

>
>For example, a 4 man tounament today with the 4 top players would consist of:
>
>  Kasparov 2831
>  Kramnik  2777
>  Anand    2766
>  Svidler  2747
>
>The average rating of Kasparov's opponents would be 2763, so he could get s
>performance rating of 3163 tops. I don't believe such a tounament ever happened
>and certainly not twice e.g.

I'd claim 3163 is "pretty close" to 3200...


>
>Top Tournament performances
>   The highest winning percentages for tournaments
>   where at least four of the top ten were present.
>
>   1872 June-July, London, won by Steinitz 7.5/8, 93.8%
>   1930 Jan.-Feb. San Remo, won by Alekhine 14/15, 93.3%
>   1862 London, won by Anderssen 11/12, 91.7%
>   1876 Mar.-Apr. London, won by Blackburne 10/11, 90.9%
>   1873 July, Vienna, won by Steinitz 22.5/25, 90%
>   1867 June-July, Paris, won by Kolisch 21/24, 86.4%
>   1883 Apr.-June, London, Zukertort 22/26, 84.6%
>   1994 Linares, Karpov 11/13, 84.6%
>   1899 London, Lasker 22.5/27, 83.3%
>   1867 Dundee, Neumann 7.5/9, 83.3%
>
>As you can see, Kasparov does not even make the list. I think a 3100 performance
>would be a record.
>
>Check out http://www3.sympatico.ca/g.giffen/records.htm
>
>The most astonishing performances were in match play by Fischer in his now
>legendary drive to the world championship match with Spassky. 6-0 vs Taimanov
>and 6-0 vs Larsen. This will be very difficult to improve upon.
>
>>
>>>
>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1131
>>>
>>>(this was 40/2h)
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Mike Scheidl



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