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Subject: Re: Software Programmers are Now OBSOLETE! [Hydra]

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 12:07:25 02/15/04

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On February 15, 2004 at 12:30:03, Bob Durrett wrote:

>On February 15, 2004 at 11:47:04, Joachim Rang wrote:
>
>>On February 15, 2004 at 10:40:47, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>
>>>On February 15, 2004 at 09:38:33, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chess commentary:
>>>>
>>>>The days of the software programmers are fast coming to an end.
>>>>
>>>>The days of the "hardware programmers" are just beginning.
>>>>
>>>>Bob D.
>>>
>>>Well truth be told, this is the first "good" result for the Brutus/Hydra team.
>>>Nothing can be concluded from just 7 games. It was the best at this tournament,
>>>but what is to say at the next one it only scores 3.5/7.0?
>>>
>>>Now flip the coin on a software program. Let's take Gandalf (which happens to be
>>>one of my favorite programs). It did not score as well as I had hoped, yet the
>>>minute the new version goes on sale, I will be purchasing it.
>>>
>>>7 games is really meaningless. It is a crap shoot that Hydra won, and next year
>>>can easily lose. Luck plays a big part in it. This is _exactly_ why the rating
>>>lists (SSDF, Chess Fun's rating list...) are so important. They show many games
>>>vs the same opponent, but also many games vs a wide array of opponents to attain
>>>a reasonable rating and top program and error margins.
>>>
>>>You must also factor in that Hydra is hardware based and whatever advantage it
>>>had today can be gone as soon as tomorrow. Software can evolve faster than
>>>hardware, thus any advantage can easily be erased with a few key strokes.
>>>
>>
>>sorry that I didn't put it in my first post, but here you err again.
>>
>>The prospects for FPGA-based solutions regarding to hardware-development are
>>_much_ nicer than to CPU-based programs. Together with that the
>>Hydra-FPGA-Solution is not a one-time card but can be updated several times: So
>>you buy the card one time and update the software for the card several times.
>
>Software on the card?  That is terrible!  When will they ever learn?
>
>That makes Hydra not much better than a mini-PC for chess.  : (
>
>Bob D.
>
most probably not software but you can flash it or something like that I don'T
know the details, but you can change things on the card.

>>
>>
>>>Personally I have stopped playing the "hardware" game in regards to chess. If it
>>>is fast enough to run the programs I use, then it is good enough for me. I tried
>>>keeping up with the hardware that comes out, but it gets costly, and frankly I
>>>can spend my money elsewhere.
>>>
>>>I read in a survey on a tech website, and I think it was Anandtech that the
>>>average home user computer is still only a 1.5 Ghz P4 computer or below. Only
>>>12% were at a level where they had the most up to date hardware. So that leaves
>>>88% of the computing population that filled out the survey that use "sub-par"
>>>systems in every day computing in regards to chess.
>>>
>>>I would rather pay for excellent software than upgrade a cpu every 6 weeks like
>>>some do on the chess servers.
>>>
>>>The SSDF still uses an Athlon 1200 MHZ computer to do it's testing, and that is
>>>fine by me. It relates more to the hardware I use, and I can reflect that in the
>>>testing I do personally.
>>>
>>>Peter.



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