Author: Micheal Cummings
Date: 06:29:43 12/07/98
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On December 07, 1998 at 09:06:31, Bert Seifriz wrote: >On December 07, 1998 at 05:51:57, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On December 07, 1998 at 01:04:21, Havergal Brian wrote: >> >>>I noticed that CM 6000 was running on a P133 in a game against Virtual Chess 2 >>>running on a PII 400. Hmmm... >>>You can't have these programs running on such different hardware and call it a >>>real contest. >> >>Correct. Amazing Genius5 ran on .... P60! And MCP also had P133 like CM6000. >>What is it worth adding programs results on VERY different hardware? Nothing. > >Correct and not correct! You will never have a tournament >where all programs have the same hardware, just simply because >the participants never HAVE the same hardware. You cannot >expect from private people to buy 14 new computers just that >you get the results you want. >Even the world championship is always played on different >hardware. >So when you stick to your opinion you can shut down a good part >of this forum forever. >And all the people who think it is so easy to organize a tournament >at a weekend when everybody has time problems and this and that, >but they DO IT and MANAGE it, and then you come with a lot of criticism. >Why? >Mr Schroeder critized the Swedes, then he made his own tournament >and after 3 rounds he found out that it is a lot of work and all stopped. >The Swedes were and are testing for DECADES. Nobody says thanks, but all >criztize this and that in Sweden and do nothing themselves. >So why don't you guys just take the results of ALL tournaments >during a year or so, count them together a bit, and I think you have a >good impression then about the current programs. There is all there is >to it. >The guys who played in Clodra/Triptis had a lot of fun, there is no dealer >among them, they do not want to promote anything, and I think they >also are good chessplayers who had some time to observe the playing >styles of the programs, and their judgement bears some weight >apart from all the MHz! Bert/gambitsoft.com But also remember that even with the best chess observers. MHz does play a part on how good a program plays, and thus gets rated by the expert observers. There weight of Judgement depends upon the Mhz also. I think it is fine for people to get together and play games, but when you then come out and hear people say, "gee Rebel 10 played well, so did Chessmaster, now that was a shock to us all". When really all those results with some programs playing on machines twice the speed than others. well I find it pretty pointless to compare the relative strengths of programs from the given results. Play your tournaments, give your rankings, but do not expect fair comment on the results unless everything is even. Then you would have nothing for anybody to complain about. The results are not the true reflections of program strength.
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