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Author: Harald Faber

Date: 07:36:01 12/07/98

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On December 07, 1998 at 09:06:31, Bert Seifriz wrote:

>>>I noticed that CM 6000 was running on a P133 in a game against Virtual Chess2
>>>running on a PII 400.  Hmmm...
>>>You can't have these programs running on such different hardware and call it
>>>real contest.
>>
>>Correct. Amazing Genius5 ran on .... P60! And MCP also had P133 like CM6000.
>>What is it worth adding programs results on VERY different hardware? Nothing.
>
>Correct and not correct! You will never have a tournament
>where all programs have the same hardware, just simply because
>the participants never HAVE the same hardware. You cannot
>expect from private people to buy 14 new computers just that
>you get the results you want.

Noone expected that.

>Even the world championship is always played on different
>hardware.
>So when you stick to your opinion you can shut down a good part
>of this forum forever.

To make a long story short: You are partly right. But 2 important arguments
can't be denied:
1) WCC is played on nearly same hardware. PII-300 and PII-350 are not so far
away from each other like P60 is from PII-266
2) when each programs runs on 2 different platform and both are much different
then don't mix up and add both results. This is misleading. I have nothing
against Rebel10 winning but please 5.5/7 and not 9.5/14.

>And all the people who think it is so easy to organize a tournament
>at a weekend when everybody has time problems and this and that,
>but they DO IT and MANAGE it, and then you come with a lot of criticism.

This is not a lot criticism.

>Why?

For a good reason.

>The Swedes were and are testing for DECADES. Nobody says thanks, but all
>criztize this and that in Sweden and do nothing themselves.

Personally I DO test for myself. The result I'll get will confirm SSDF or not.
If confirm everything is OK, if not I'll conclude for myself.

>So why don't you guys just take the results of ALL tournaments
>during a year or so, count them together a bit, and I think you have a
>good impression then about the current programs. There is all there is
>to it.

OK, I'll try to collect all computer tournaments and results. Can you name a
good source?

>The guys who played in Clodra/Triptis had a lot of fun, there is no dealer
>among them, they do not want to promote anything, and I think they
>also are good chessplayers who had some time to observe the playing
>styles of the programs, and their judgement bears some weight
>apart from all the MHz! Bert/gambitsoft.com

No doubt. The comment/criticism doesn't hit them, read above what hurts my eye.



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