Author: George Tsavdaris
Date: 06:47:06 02/22/04
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On February 22, 2004 at 08:46:27, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 22, 2004 at 08:27:55, Uri Blass wrote: > >>I am not talking about situation when we prove theretical result but about >>situation when all comp-comp games at 120/40 time control between top programs >>are drawn. With this you assume that Chess is an always-draw game. I would not be so sure about that. In fact i would not dare to talk about it. >>My guess is that we need more than 20 years but less than 50 years to achieve >>that target. >> >>What is your opinion? If there would not be a big jump in the evolution of the improvement of chess engines, by developing new methods that engines play chess or by hardware improvement jumps, then i think that after ~24 years chess-engines will be able to play perfect for human standards and 95% of the results between them will be 1-0 or 1/2-1/2 or 0-1, so we will be able to conclude what Chess is a white/black/draw game. All these WITH opening books. To be able to play without opening books in this way i would say 45 years. > >I can add that I also mean that by practically solving chess I mean that it will >be impossible practically for humans to win against chess programs even when >they get computers to help them. This seems to contradict your first statement, because if computers become so strong to win against top humans, then if humans will use computers to help them and because computers will be much stronger from them, all the moves will be computer's suggestions, so we will actually have a comp-comp game. So the human with the help of a computer could win against computers. > >It does not mean that computers will know to solve every position in chess and >it is possible that they will not know to evaluate a lot of positions when one >side is a pawn up but the point is that I believe that when computers search >deep enough and their evaluation will become better they will not get into the >situation when they have to go to inferior position when the opponent is a pawn >up and it is not clear if it is a draw or a win. > >Uri
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