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Subject: Re: Hydra needs Hyatt on team!

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 07:04:17 02/22/04

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On February 21, 2004 at 02:45:56, Keith Evans wrote:

>On February 21, 2004 at 01:19:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 20, 2004 at 21:15:10, Bob Durrett wrote:
>>
>>>On February 19, 2004 at 13:18:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 18, 2004 at 16:43:23, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 18, 2004 at 16:00:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 18, 2004 at 15:43:17, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On February 18, 2004 at 15:34:32, Mark Young wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hydra gets suckerd by some nice anti-computer play! A very ugly game by Hydra.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Doubt Hyatt would want to work with the Hydra programmer. I believe it was
>>>>>>>Donninger (lead programmer?) who said, "The only good American is a dead one" or
>>>>>>>something to that effect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Correct.  But then, I'm not sure why the subject "Hydra needs hyatt on team"
>>>>>>came up either.  I'd suspect they can do just fine without me.  I'm not really
>>>>>>interested in looking at hardware solutions when we have such good
>>>>>>general-purpose "solutions" like the opteron around.  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I was just thinking about the comparison of two of those Hydra cards with a Dual
>>>>>Opteron 248 or 4 Cards versus Quad Opteron. I believe that Crafty using the same
>>>>>Quad Opteron that you previously use, is much faster than Hydra with 4 FPGA
>>>>>cards :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Jorge
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It is hard to say.  I know how fast I was running.  But their parallel
>>>>implementation has some issues to deal with that I get to ignore, and some of
>>>>those issues are pretty important, such as accessing the hash table,
>>>>communicating with other processors, etc.  Fast on a SMP box, not so fast on a
>>>>box that depends on the PCI bus to talk to the FPGA cards...
>>>
>>>Is there no alternative to a PCI bus?  If not, maybe we need to invent
>>>something.
>>>
>>>Bob D.
>>
>>
>>Not on a PC.  That is the only interface there is for the moment.  Other
>>machines have something better, but they cost a _lot_ more...
>
>A couple of people have tried DIMMs, but it's problematic.
>
>Intel bought a company Nuron that was doing it to accelerate public key crypto,
>and there's a Hong Kong university that's tried - see Pilchard. Don't know
>anything about it, but see
>http://www.tik.ee.ethz.ch/tik/education/lectures/RC/WS03_04/Plessl_TKDM.pdf too.
>
>One huge problem is many motherboards have very few slots, and even worse people
>tend to scramble the data lines to make routing easier. And the DIMM boards have
>to be relatively small, and not too power hungry.
>
>-K

There is a special line of processors which can do public key encryption very
very fast. Those processors are cheap too. Additionally they perform as a normal
processor.






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