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Subject: Re: MCP8 - Rebel8, SSDF

Author: Thom Perry

Date: 04:41:00 12/08/98

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On December 08, 1998 at 04:44:18, Harald Faber wrote:

>On December 07, 1998 at 17:31:48, Heiko Mikala wrote:
>
>>>>>>MCP8 have an astounding opening book.
>>>>>>It have 6.291.456 positions in 61,44 MB hash.
>>>>>>It follows the book generally in 15-30 moves.
>>>>>>In the game below, it's in the book for 40 moves!
>>>>>
>>>>>Now the all decisive question: with which evaluation did MCP8 come out of
>>>>>book?
>>>>>If more than +2.00 then we can almost be sure to have a killer line.
>>>>
>>>>MCP8 gives 41.Kf1 Qxf3+ mate in 8.
>>>
>>>OK, THIS IS A KILLERLINE. Probably taken from an autoplayer game Sandro
>>>and/or Marty added to the book...
>>
>>Rebel 8 has such lines against MChess too. In one of my tournaments it played a
>>french opening against MChess Pro 5 completely out of book up until the point
>>where MChess saw the mate against itself...
>
>Wow! Could you please give me that game?
>BTW I remember when Ed mentioned s.th. like he did implement also one (or some
>more?) killerline because he wasn't satisfied with MCP's opening book full of
>killerlines. He asked Marty if he found them. :-)
>So probably YOU have found at least one of them. :-)
>As far as I get MCP8 I'll check some other loosing lines too to see if Sandro
>took them out.
>
>>By the way, I love both programs, these are my favourites, so please don't
>>misunderstand me. No war please ;-)
>
>Don't get me wrong, I love MCP since version 5 and already ordered v.8. But I
>like Rebel10 more than Rebel8. :-)
>And I don't want to see killerlines, no matter of whom.


Personally, I don't see anything wrong with killerlines.  If you have a good
program like MCP with the learning enabled, you should only lose one game to the
killerline <g>.



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