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Subject: Re: Static Eval: Scores for White !

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 17:02:12 02/25/04

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On February 24, 2004 at 11:08:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 24, 2004 at 10:37:48, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On February 23, 2004 at 14:19:35, Jaime Benito de Valle Ruiz wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, I know it was my choice, but several people have already pointed out that
>>>it'd be a more sensible idea to give the scores for white (positive = white
>>>wins, negative = black wins).
>>>I thought that it'd be better to suggest this change now that we have just
>>>started.
>>>
>>>Anyone has any strong argument against it? (hope not)
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>It's better to make all positions white to move, that solves the problem easier
>>than this 'rule'.
>>
>>If people have asymmetric eval then which takes care they misevaluate the
>>position, bad luck for them :)
>
>
>That makes no sense.  A position with black king at e7, white king at e5, white
>pawn at e4 makes a great deal of sense to have either white to move or black to
>move, and changing it makes no sense.  Black to move and white wins.  White to
>move and it is a draw.  The eval ought to handle that correctly...

Nowadays i've got KPK egtb, not sure about you.
Even without them, 40 plies of search there will do too :)
But well when you still live in the 80s i'm sure you want to 'handle' it
correctly :)





>>>I'll post at the bottom of this page the lastest table with some corrections,
>>>and with all the scores changed for white.... and with Crafty's scores too!
>>>
>>>I'll upload the files to geocities as usual, but you know what geocities is
>>>like....
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>  Jaime
>>>
>>>
>>>	Min	Max	Crafty 19.11	Tinker 4.47	Tinker Exp	Gothmog	Green Light Chess	Queen	BB
>>>0.9.7i	PostModernist	Elephant 	Waster	Snitch 0.3.34	Chepla v0.31
>>>
>>>KS-00001	1.34	4.14	3.72	4.14	1.34	2.46	2.614	2.29	2.36	2.44	3.88	2.35	2.27	1.65
>>>KS-00002	-4.23	-1.865	-2.53	-3.16	-4.23	-2.67	-1.865	-3.5	-2.77	-2.9	-2.2	-2.99	-2.75	-3.03
>>>KS-00003	-3.63	-0.4	-1.19	-1.28	-2.68	-1.38	-1.311	-0.4	-2.64	-3.63	-1.69	-1.14	-0.97	-1.15
>>>KS-00004	-4.03	-1.7	-3.65	-4.03	-2.37	-1.81	-1.971	-1.7	-2.63	-2.89	-2.38	-2.53	-2.3	-1.9
>>>KS-00005	-3.706	-1.31	-2.88	-1.31	-2.59	-2.32	-3.706	-2.67	-2.88	-1.88	-3.44	-2.73	-3.11	-3.4
>>>KS-00006	-8.44	-6.37	-8.44	-8.43	-7.43	-7.62	-7.773	-7.77	-7.46	-8.36	-7.16	-7.17	-6.37	-7
>>>KS-00007	-2.06	-0.29	-1.19	-0.78	-0.88	-1.22	-1.042	-1.45	-1.45	-0.29	-1.41	-1.03	-2.06	-1.22
>>>KS-00008	-6.49	4.62	0.65	1.52	-0.82	1.05	-0.093	-6.49	-0.44	4.62	-0.84	-1.52	2.79	-0.94
>>>KS-00009	-4.13	-1.45	-2.89	-2.63	-2.67	-2.08	-1.918	-4.13	-2.71	-3.31	-1.45	-2.37	-1.49	-1.94
>>>KS-00010	-7.58	-2.58	-6.09	-5.31	-6.75	-3.33	-7.158	-7.58	-5.72	-2.58	-5.19	-6.36	-5.65	-6.81
>>>KS-00011	-0.21	2.21	1.60	-0.21	1.89	2.21	0.814	0.69	0.83	2.08	0.47	0.99	1.22	1.82
>>>KS-00012	-3.9	-1.52	-3.90	-3.16	-2.71	-2.22	-1.52	-2.44	-2.8	-2.55	-1.89	-2.55	-1.53	-2.85
>>>KS-00013	-7.16	-5.89	-6.39	-6.14	-7.16	-6.27	-6.908	-6.72	-6.39	-6.12	-6.58	-7.07	-5.89	-6.83
>>>KS-00014	0.58	4.6	2.84	4.60	2.82	2.33	2.089	2.31	1.29	1.99	0.58	1.33	1.03	1.47
>>>KS-00015	3.78	5.88	3.78	4.86	5.72	3.91	5.249	4.28	5.51	5.02	5.88	5.35	5.61	5.39
>>>PP-00001	-0.57	1.8	-0.54	0.81	-0.07	-0.05	1.122	-0.57	1.09	0.2	0.88	0	1.8	0.37
>>>PP-00002	-0.63	1.89	-0.63	1.67	1.86	0.93	1.021	1.89	1.57	0.3	1.69	0.36	1.32	1.3
>>>PP-00003	-2.41	2.12	0.82	-2.38	-2.41	1.72	2.109	2.12	1.67	0.78	1.73	1.03	1.46	1.12
>>>PP-00004	-1.99	6.87	4.80	6.22	6.87	-0.52	-1.804	-1.99	-0.73	-1.75	-0.92	-1.11	-1.18	-1.98
>>>PP-00005	-7.16	0.52	-7.16	-1.03	0.52	-1.89	-1.898	-3.48	-1.73	-1.84	-1.15	-1.42	-2.3	-1.45
>>>PP-00006	-0.87	1.61	-0.51	0.16	-0.19	-0.12	-0.208	0.16	-0.35	-0.34	-0.87	1.61	0.26	-0.28
>>>PP-00007	-4.52	-0.26	-4.52	-1.87	-1.13	-1.99	-2.965	-3.13	-2.95	-2.2	-3.04	-0.26	-3.92	-3.08
>>>IM-00001	-2.82	1.35	-1.06	0.22	0.08	0.61	0.568	-0.52	0.89	-0.44	0.36	-2.82	0.48	1.35
>>>IM-00002	0	1.94	1.49	1.73	1.54	0.47	1.051	1.09	1	1.23	1.33		1.94	1.15
>>>IM-00003	0.05	2.13	1.46	2.03	2.13	0.54	1.108	0.66	1.23	1.08	1.88	0.05	1.99	1.18
>>>IM-00004	-1.08	1.14	-1.02	-0.90	-1.08	-0.97	-0.159	0.41	-0.27	-0.27	0.42	1.14	0.64	0.61
>>>EG-00001	-1.88	1.08	-1.88	-0.04	0.12	0.14	0.269	0.06	0.5	-0.27	0.16	1.08	0.07	0.2
>>>EG-00002	-1.06	4.648	0.00	0.02	0.00	0	4.648	0	4.28	0	4.14	-1.06	4.42	4.39



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