Author: Uri Blass
Date: 20:03:06 02/25/04
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On February 25, 2004 at 18:48:32, Thomas Mayer wrote: >Hi George, > >>> Well, it's possible to do it with another programs interface, opening >>> book and learning function, but we eventually came to the conclusion that >>> this method wasn't fair... > >> Fair? It would not be fair if you have been paid to make a test for the >> program strength, that will include only chess programs as they are out of >> their box. >> So if you use some components of one program to another, your boss would be >> disappointed as you didn't made a fair test as he only want to find the >> strength of the programs as they are given and not combining features >> between them. But that's not the case. You are not doing this for money and >> you are free to do whatever you want. Is the purpose of the list to give the >> strength of the engines or of the whole commercial package? > >Afaik the purpose is to give the strength of the whole commercial package - the >so called out of the box strength. In that respect the SSDF-list is a wonderful >source - you can use it as a helping list to make you choice which program you >want to buy. Of course, for us computer chess enthusiasts this is just a hint - >we buy anyway nearly anything... :) > >By the way: the opening book and the handling of the opening book is a big part >of the engine strength. So in my opinion Thoralf is correct when he says that it >would be somewhat unfair to the others, when one engine uses the environment of >the other products. E.g. when I think about my own engine just using general.ctg >and the advanced book learning of say Fritz GUI this would boost it in such >matches about 100 Elo, I am quite sure about that number. I would never consider >this as fair. > >Greets, Thomas Based on what is your confidence? I do not know and I would like to see the advantage that programs get from book. I understood based on results that there was no big difference between chessmaster out of box and chessmaster with book under chessbase when it also had learning enabled. Quark does well in Leo's tournament without the advanced learning of Fritz. It is significantly weaker than the top programs but I doubt if it performs better in nunn match experiments. Uri
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